base/mobile scanner recommendation for central Texas?

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Hello, I'm looking for a recommendation for a base/mobile scanner for central Texas - specifically Georgetown in Williamson County. I would like something that gives me the most capability for Williamson County as well as Travis and Bell Counties.

I don't really understand how the Uniden, Radio Shack and GRE base/mobile units compare, and would greatly appreciate feedback from current or former users. Thanks in advance for the suggestions and advice - it is definitely time to retire my Regency R1600!
 

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You should be able to hear what ever You want to hear.
Plus Free updates for the data base.

NOT correct!

The following agencies are encrypted:

Williamson County Sheriffs Office (100%)
Williamson County FD, EMS (100%)
Georgetown PD, FD, EMS (All operations, except for a few FD Tacs)
Leander PD (100%)
Cedar Park PD, FD, EMS (100%)

ALL OPERATIONS IN YOUR AREA ARE ENCRYPTED, EXCEPT FOR A VERY FEW TAC CHANNELS....So, NO scanner will work!
Im sorry! :)

See this page for more info:
Williamson County, Texas (TX) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference
 
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You should be able to hear what ever You want to hear.
Plus Free updates for the data base.
Most of the talkgroups that cover Williamson County, unfortunately, are encrypted. No scanner will overcome that.

Hello, I'm looking for a recommendation for a base/mobile scanner for central Texas - specifically Georgetown in Williamson County. I would like something that gives me the most capability for Williamson County as well as Travis and Bell Counties.

I don't really understand how the Uniden, Radio Shack and GRE base/mobile units compare, and would greatly appreciate feedback from current or former users. Thanks in advance for the suggestions and advice - it is definitely time to retire my Regency R1600!
Tad,
Most of the public safety agencies (Police/Fire/EMS) in Travis & Williamson counties are on this system: Greater Austin/Travis Regional Radio System (GATRRS) Trunking System, Austin, Texas - Scanner Frequencies

If you'll look at the talkgroups listed for Williamson County, and the cities within, you'll see that a large percentage of them are tagged with an "E" in the Mode column. That means they are encrypted (scrambled). No scanner made will defeat that & allow you to listen, besides which it's also illegal for any to be made or sold that can monitor such transmissions. But that's been discussed, cussed, & brought back up multiple times. Still illegal, and no scanner will receive that.
(gr8rcall typed quicker than I did :wink:)

However, most all of Travis County is "in the clear"- digital, but not encrypted except for a handful of sensitive talkgroups.

Bell County largely uses this EDACS system, and there are a number of conventional channels in use.

To monitor the GATRRS system (Travis & Williamson counties) you would need a digital scanner. The PSR-800 is a digital scanner, but it's more of a handheld design, not a base-mobile like your initial query. A true base-mobile, generally, comes in a larger case than a handheld, so it has a larger speaker. resulting in better audio. As the case is often metal, not plastic (like most handhelds), this can make them a little more resistant to interference from other devices, such as computers, monitors, printers, broadband modems, etc. However, the handhelds give you the option of carrying the scanner easily from room to room, or outside, using it on your patio or deck, or taking it with you in your vehicle. As all the current generation handhelds use AA batteries (I, like most members, use rechargeables, charging them outside of the radio), the scanner will keep working even during a power outage, such as from storm damage. I have multiple sets of batteries, plus a brick of regular AA alkaline batteries.

Current model scanners that would work for your area include:
Make Model Type
GRE PSR-500 Handheld
GRE PSR-600 Base/Mobile
GRE PSR-800 Handheld
Radio Shack PRO-18 Handheld
Radio Shack PRO-106 Handheld
Radio Shack PRO-197 Base/Mobile
Uniden BCD396T Handheld
Uniden BCD396XT Handheld
Uniden BCD996T Base/Mobile
Uniden BCD996XT Base/Mobile
Uniden HomePatrol-1 Base/Mobile

The GRE & Radio Shack scanners use what's know as Object Oriented memory. See this Wiki article, and the links in it, for further information:
GRE/RS Object Oriented Scanners FAQ - The RadioReference Wiki

The Uniden scanners use what is known as Dynamic Memory Architecture.
There is a Wiki article, with links for more detail, as well:
Uniden DMA FAQ - The RadioReference Wiki

For more details on individual scanners, see:
Radio Shack Scanners
Uniden Scanners
GRE Scanners

For more area specific information you might join this Yahoo group that covers your area, then ask someone more local.
 

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Current model scanners that would work for your area include:
Make Model Type
GRE PSR-500 Handheld
GRE PSR-600 Base/Mobile
GRE PSR-800 Handheld
Radio Shack PRO-18 Handheld
Radio Shack PRO-106 Handheld
Radio Shack PRO-197 Base/Mobile
Uniden BCD396T Handheld
Uniden BCD396XT Handheld
Uniden BCD996T Base/Mobile
Uniden BCD996XT Base/Mobile
Uniden HomePatrol-1 Base/Mobile

The GRE & Radio Shack scanners use what's know as Object Oriented memory. See this Wiki article, and the links in it, for further information:
GRE/RS Object Oriented Scanners FAQ - The RadioReference Wiki

The Uniden scanners use what is known as Dynamic Memory Architecture.
There is a Wiki article, with links for more detail, as well:
Uniden DMA FAQ - The RadioReference Wiki

Many thanks for the thorough overview, hiegtx! Thanks also to gr8rcall and RonnieUSA for your ideas.

I have narrowed my search to the GRE PSR-600, Radio Shack PRO-197 and Uniden BCD996XT.

Do you have any thoughts on how OOM compares to DMA? I would like to use programming software that will run on Windows 7 if that makes a difference.
 

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I feel sorry for Y'all deep in the heart. Scanning seems like a pretty dead horse with all that encryption stuff.
 

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Many thanks for the thorough overview, hiegtx! Thanks also to gr8rcall and RonnieUSA for your ideas.

I have narrowed my search to the GRE PSR-600, Radio Shack PRO-197 and Uniden BCD996XT.

Do you have any thoughts on how OOM compares to DMA? I would like to use programming software that will run on Windows 7 if that makes a difference.
Personally, I prefer Uniden's DMA over GRE's OOM. But that's a personal preference. Either system works, and I have a PSR-500, the handheld equivalent of the PSR-600. There are no "banks", in the sense of the older scanners, in either programming style.

The GRE scanners, in general, are more sensitive than the Unidens, but not by a huge margin.That sensitivity is tempered by the tendency of the GRE's to overload & desense (hear less) when there is too much signal being received. This can occur due to signals adjacent frequencies, or from nearby cell towers, or broadcast band sites (FM or TV stations). The Uniden scanners seem to be much less affected. In town, I run my 'carry' scanner, a BCD396XT, with a R/S 800MHz antenna. Works very well on the multiple trunked systems in the area. Using the same antenna on my PSR-500, I miss many of the same transmissions, due to overload from the forest of cell sites in my area, and along my commute to work. I also go through downtown Dallas on the way, where every building worth a name on it's side, has repeaters for SMR systems on it's roof. Doesn't bother the 396XT; the PSR-500 overloads badly. I avoid the issue by using the stock antenna on the 500, and it performs well.

On the other hand, for some simulcast systems, the GRE scanners seem to handle the multi-path distortion better than the Unidens. However, that is very location specific, dependent to where you are in relation to the various tower sites. For more local information, you might ask down in the Texas Forum. I know there are several members in your area that post from time to time.

With DMA, you create systems, either conventional, for non-trunked cities or counties, or agencies such as Texas DPS, and enter your frequencies in them, or a trunked system. You can group your frequencies, or talkgroups, by city, or usage, into groups within the system. As an example, for Ellis County, just south of me, I have the County agencies in one group, then each of the larger cities in individual groups, much as they are listed on the database page.
The scanner display shows:
1st line System Name.....<<alternating with>>......Group Name
2nd line ...........................Text tag for the frequency

For a trunked "system", your display is:
1st line "Site Name"........<<alternating with>>.....Group Name
2nd line............................Text Tag for the Talkgroup ID

For a system such as GATRRS, you have a number of transmitter tower sites. For this type of system, I would use some basic abbreviation on the site names, such as GATRRS-Wllmsn, for the Williamson County Simulcast site. Use whatever you like- it's your scanner. As an example, in my case, for this system that I catch when spending time out west of the Metro area, I have the Weatherford site tagged as "Parker-Wthrfrd". You have 16 characters to work with on text tags.

You have 100 SQK's, System or Site Quick Keys, depending on whether it's a Conventional System or a Trunked System Site, that can be used to easily toggle reception on & off. There are also 10 Group Quick Keys that can be used, within each system, to turn individual groups, within the system, on and off.

Also see Program your DMA Scanner - The RadioReference Wiki
I primarily use FreeSCAN, which handles all the programming needs for my DMA scanners. It also has logging/recording capability, for monitoring a system via the pc, and reviewing the recordings later. ProScan is another program that I have available, with some features that FreeSCAN does not offer, but my primary reason for also purchasing ProScan was that it also supports two older scanners, the BC780XLT & BC250D, that I own. These are out of date for the newer P25 systems (the 780 is not digital at all), but still get some use on the agencies in the area that use conventional frequencies. The third program, which I have not purchased, is ARC-XT. It comes in two versions- Basic, $39.95, & Pro, $69.95. The Pro version includes logging & recording capability; basic does not. Both ProScan & the ARC software have 30-day free trial periods, before you have to buy the software. FreeSCAN is freeware, though donations are accepted (I made a donation for this excellent software). Any of these will run under Windows 7.

The cable that comes with most Uniden scanners, including the BCD996XT, requires a serial port on your pc. If your computer does not have one (labeled Com 1), which is the case for most new laptops & many desktops, then you can either order the Uniden USB-1 cable for programming or get a USB->Serial adapter. See Connecting scanners via USB - The RadioReference Wiki I use the Monoprice adapter, with no issues, on my laptop. Both desktops have serial ports. There are other adapters, from other sources as well, mentioned in the Wiki article.

For the Object Oriented scanners, manufactured by GRE, and sold either under GRE's name or through Radio Shack, the programming and display options are different. You have 20 scanlists, which could very roughly be compared to "banks", except that these do not have a defined size. In total, you have a little over 1800 'objects' to use. An object could be a Conventional Object, which is a conventional (non-trunked) frequency, or a Talkgroup Object (TGRP), a TGID on a Trunked system. The Trunked Systems themselves each use several 'objects'. Even so, I have never pushed the limitation here in the DFW Metro area.

When programming, you assign each object, Conventional (CONV) or Talkgroup (TGRP), to a scanlist. That way, you can sort them as you wish, and toggle them on or off as you desire. I set up my DFW file sith a scanlist for Dallas Fire/Rescue, Dallas PD, Dallas County, Texas DPS, then the rest are for neighboring counties or quadrants (for farther out). The trunked systems are associated with the scanlist that covers their area, and one scanlist is for 'regional' type systems. We have a couple of systems in the build stage that will cover more than one area, or are for regional interoperability. I've grouped them in one place.

In the OOM system, your display is:
Conventional:
Scanlist Name..........<<alternating with>>.......CONV Object's text tag

Trunked System:
TSYS Object (the System's name, such as GATRRS)<<alternating with>> TGRP text tag

(Note: For both the Uniden and the GRE manufactured scanners, other information can & will be displayed, such as frequency, the actual talkgroup ID, or PL/CTCSS tone, depending on the display option chosen.)

For software, see Object Oriented Scanner Software - The RadioReference Wiki
All three of the programs mentioned- Win500, PSREdit500, & ARC500, have a 30-day trial period, to let you try the software before you have to buy it. Win500 & PSREdit500 are each $35.00 to buy. ARC500 comes in two versions. Just like ARC-XT, there's a Basic & Pro version, Basic does not have logging/recording, the Pro version does, $39.95 & $69.95 respectively. Both Win500 & PSREdit500 have that capability in the standard version (there is no other version needed). All of the software mentioned works with Windows 7.

The Radio Shack Pro-197 is identical to the PSR-600, as GRE makes both. However, GRE supplies the pc cable, which is required for firmware updates or pc programming, with the scanner. It's an extra cost accessory with Radio Shack. So, take that into account when considering cost. The Shack often deeply discounts the 197, and at times has offered the cable at 50% off if purchased at the same time as the scanner (regular price for the cable is about $34, I think). But at the "regular" price for the Pro-197, $424.99, the PSR-600 is usually cheaper (also see here).
 

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k3td - were you able to get your scanner set up? I can't get anything on the GATRRS system.
hiegtx - why didn't you list the Pro 96? It also supports APCO25/P25.

I'm in the same boat pretty much: got a "new" Pro 96 and looking to scan the local agencies here in the ATX area (Round Rock, really).
 

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I haven't purchased anything yet and probably won't for a few months. Just made some investments in the ham station and so am using my ancient Regency (Uniden) R1600 for now. I'll be interested to see what GRE has to say about the PSR-900 at Dayton. If it is available it might be tough to choose between a PSR-900 and the BCD996XT ...
 

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I haven't purchased anything yet and probably won't for a few months. Just made some investments in the ham station and so am using my ancient Regency (Uniden) R1600 for now. I'll be interested to see what GRE has to say about the PSR-900 at Dayton. If it is available it might be tough to choose between a PSR-900 and the BCD996XT ...

From what I've seen posted, the PSR-900 will be along the lines of a "base/mobile" version of the PSR-800. The PSR-800, as you know, is GRE's 'easy to program' scanner, with the RadioReference database loaded on a micro-SD card. See this post in the PSR-900 pre-release thread for some pictures. Where the PSR-800 differs from Uniden's 'easy to program' scanner, the Home Patrol-1, is that the 800, & presumably the PSR-900, can decode the X2-TDMA and Phase II talkgroups on the newer systems. The HP-1 cannot.

At this point, GRE is still at a standstill, trying to get back in gear after the shutdown of their manufacturing facility. Keep an eye on this thread as things develop. I would hope that GRE succeeds with the re-start. We're better off with more than one manufacturer. Each drives the other to continue to innovate in features and performance.

Personally, I'm holding off my next scanner purchase until Uniden, or a revived GRE, releases some new units with P25 Phase II capability. While it appears that the PSR-800 can do two-slot, some of the systems in the build or planning stage may be more advanced than the 800 can handle.

k3td - were you able to get your scanner set up? I can't get anything on the GATRRS system.
hiegtx - why didn't you list the Pro 96? It also supports APCO25/P25.

I'm in the same boat pretty much: got a "new" Pro 96 and looking to scan the local agencies here in the ATX area (Round Rock, really).
silverf0x,

I did not include the Pro-96 (or it's base/mobile sibling, the Pro-2096) for a very simple reason. While these two scanners will work on a P25 system, they will not trunktrack on sites using frequencies in the 700MHz range. While most of the GATRRS sites are 800MHz, there are a couple, Central Austin & Caldwell County, that use 700MHz frequencies. In my area, Dallas-Fort Worth, there have been several new systems built, using 700MHz, and there is some possibility that we may see some systems using both 700 & 800MHz frequencies. That's being done in other areas, where more spectrum is needed, but is not available in the 800MHz range.

If all the sites you've programmed use 800, and don't add any frequencies in the 700MHz band, then you can get by with the Pro-96. However, as the 700 band is used extensively in other areas (most of the sites on Louisiana's LWIN system are 700MHz, with some a mix of 700 & 800MHz frequencies), your Pro-96 might be less useful when traveling.
 
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