BCT15X and default behavior of ID Scan and talkgroups

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Hey all--

new BCT15X owner here and like a lot of them out there, I'm confused on a few points. :)
I've tried to search for more info on this but no luck.
background info: I loaded the RR db info for San Francisco Motorola trunked city/county police/fire. It's a great dataset, with all the frequencies and talk groups.

Scenario: You've programmed a System for Motorola analog trunking and have assigned a couple Sites and several talkgroups. You've also assigned a quick key to a talk group, and you're in ID Scan mode. You hit the Function knob and you then hit the number key of the group quick key you've assigned....

should you only hear traffic on the talkgroup that you've selected (it shows up on the GQK line on the Function hold page) ... or would you hear that talk group AND traffic from all the other talkgroups?

That is to say, if you only wanted to hear 1 talkgroup out of say, a total of 10 assigned to the current System, do you need to assign quick keys to ALL the talkgroups...and then while doing an ID Scan, lock out ALL of the talkgroups EXCEPT the one that you want to hear?

Am I missing something... why have quick keys assignable to talkgroups when, in order to only hear one or two talkgroups, you would have to assign quick keys to all the other talkgroups and then disable them?? Shouldn't the default be that when you pick a talkgroup, the scanner would then ignore the others?

This particular behavior has thrown me for a loop and makes me think I've got the concepts wrong and/or am experiencing some PEBKAC issues. Any info appreciated. thanks!
 

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There is a pretty steep learing curve with todays DMA type Unidens!
The HP-1 is about as easy as they come but the 15X is also a great scanner.

Ok, on ID Scan mode, you will only hear that is programeed to the current system quick key. It will not search and tune any new talkgroups.
If you want it to find new ones that you may have not entered or maybe are not in the databast, then you need ID Search mode. I think you switch modes by hitting the hold/rresume button and then pressing the scroll wheel (function knob) and the pressing the scan.search button until it shows ID Scan or ID Search.

If you only want to listen to one thing only, you should be able to just hit the hold/resume button and then rotate the function knob until you see what you want and then sit back and listen. It will stay on that frequency only.

The ID Scn or Search may not work exacly as I said when held on a non trunked system like a normal analog channel. I forget exactly.

Your scenario should allow the radio to only hear the single channel or channels that you programmed under that qroup quick key in ID Scan mode. Switch to ID Search mode and it should also get unprogrammed talkgroups that are not also programmed under another group quick key.
So a set of freqs (talkgroups) programmed under a turned off group quick key should be skipped over in either ID scan or search mode.
So yes, you should only hear the traffic programmed under the active group quick key.

The simplest way to just hear one frequency or talkgroup is to hit the hold/resume button so it stops scanning or searching and then trotate the function knob until what you want is shown in the display. That way you don't need to lockout anything. If you want to say scan two talkgroups under a groupd quick key, then it would be easier to press lockout one time on the other 8 that you do not want to listen too. If you press lockout a 2nd time right after pressing LO the 1st time, It will lockout the channel or talkgroupd until you manually unlock it. Only 1 push of the LO key will temp lockout that freq or talkgroup but as soon as you turn the radio off and back on, those with the temp lockouts will be automatically unlocked for you. This comes in handy if say something is going on on two or so talkgroups but you normally like to monitor them all. Just hit the LO button on all tht you don't want one time and then hit the scan/resume button and you should only get the two or so that you did not lockout. The next time you turn the radio off and back on, all the temp lockouts will be removed and you will be scanning the entire system again as long as the group quick keys are enabled and you are in ID Scan mode. Remember that ID Search mode will also find and scan any new talkgroups that are not entered under any groups quick keys. If you have some talkgroups that you do monitor every now and then but not always and also want to search for new talkgroups, put the infrequent ones under an unused groups quick key and turn that off. That will allow the scanner to find new talkgroups but not scan the infrequent talkgroups that are programmed into the turned off groups quick key. You also need to be in ID Search mode for the scanner to find new talkgroups that have not been entered anywhere for the current system.

So you have it pretty close it seems and a little bit of experimenting should get you where you want to be! The easy way though is to just hit hold on the system you are monitoring and the rotated the scroll wheel until it shows that frequency or talkgroup in the display and then you will only hear that single channel or talkgroup.
You must also have the other searches turned off like the POL, HP and any state searches that may be setup under those two buttons. I think pushing those two buttons may cycle the radio through three different modes but you would want them all off if you really only want to monitor a single frequency or talkgroup.
I hope I called the Group Quick Keys by the correct names to not further confuse you! I often get system and group quick keys reversed in my head and when I'm trying to explain things!
I've also only owned a 15X for a short time so I'm also still learning it. I've had a 396T and XT as well as a 996T and XT for a long time but the 15X threw me for a loop with the state searches and things like that that it does compared to the digital models I listed. I really figured it would be really easy after using the digital models for so long but it proved me wrong! I bought it because we still have a lot of analog only stuff here and I figured it would be super easy as Im really good with programming and using the digital models. That idea did not work out near as east as I was expecting! I think it was those state search modes that are turned on by default that were what messed up my thinking. Once I figured out how to turn them off, I started getting pretty good at making the 15X work they way I wanted and not the way it wanted. It drove me crazy several times though. Then I finally figured out how to copy my programming of all my non digital systems from my 996XT over to the 15X. I had to basically delete all digital systems from the 996XT after I saved a copy of its contents first. Then I deleted to digital systems from the 996XT and was able to save that to a file and then load it into the 15X. I still had a few changes to make to the 15X like those state searches. Once I did all that, I now have pretty much a mirror image of my 996XT minus the digital systems and I've rarely had to touch the 15X othet than doing things like you are doing like holding on a single channel or talkgroup.
I've owned the 396T and 996T since they both came out and they still both mess with my head to this day! Then I bought the XT versions of both when they were released but operating them was almost the same as the older T models.
They can be confusing at times that is for sure!

Have you found the link to the "easier to read manual" at marks scanners?
It can really help understand things that the stupid Uniden manual skips or you miss. It is at the URL below in case you have never seen it.

I hope this info helped answer some of your questions!

Here is the link to the easier to read manual for the 15X.

Easier to Read BCT15-X Scanner Manual

Good Luck and don't give up! You will get the hang of it!
 

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GQKs are not "exclusive." If you enable a GQK it does not disable the other channels (you would need to disable the GQK(s) for the group(s) those other channels are in).
 

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That is to say, if you only wanted to hear 1 talkgroup out of say, a total of 10 assigned to the current System, do you need to assign quick keys to ALL the talkgroups...and then while doing an ID Scan, lock out ALL of the talkgroups EXCEPT the one that you want to hear?

Am I missing something... why have quick keys assignable to talkgroups when, in order to only hear one or two talkgroups, you would have to assign quick keys to all the other talkgroups and then disable them?? Shouldn't the default be that when you pick a talkgroup, the scanner would then ignore the others?
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Using your scenario, the easiest thing to do to listen to 1 talkgroup and ignore any others would be to press the HOLD key on that 1 talkgroup. Why have the scanner scan the entire system at that point if you are only concerned with that one single talkgroup?

The group quick keys are simply a way to organize departments together, such as all police assigned to one GQK, all fire assigned to another, county sheriff to a third, etc. By default the GQK are enabled, so if you want to focus on one group you would need to disable all other groups.
 

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thanks for all the feedback, folks; I appreciate the assistance. I realized that after I posted this thread, the fog of a full workday then a night of the BCT15X learning curve had taken its toll. I think I mixed my terms!

Take a look at the screenshot attachment. When I was saying "talkgroups" I guess I really meant sets of talkgroup IDs that are assigned Group Names. Is this an abstraction only found in ProScan?

I guess what I'm really looking for is the functionality I had with my 780XLT, where you have what Uniden called "Scan Lists" (from the manual: "Scan Lists help you organize the trunking system users into categories. For example, you might use List#1 for police IDs, List#2 for fire department IDs, List#3 for emergency medical service IDs, etc.")

So I guess what I need to do is get organized and possibly use the worksheets from the Uniden wiki page... figure out how to go about creating sets of talkgroup IDs that I associate under some sort of grouping (whatever the proper nomenclature may be).

Actually as you can see in the screenshot, I'm good for now since the import of the RR db data ended up giving me a total of 10 "Groups" under the 2 sites (CERS, PWRS), for the System "SF Trunked." My misunderstanding was that somehow these "Groups" acted like the Scan Lists of old.

sorry for being confused and passing that confusion into my post. :-D
 

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Each trunked system can have up to 20 channel groups. Channel groups are controlled by Group Quick Keys (and in the above, "SF Police" comprises one of the channel groups of the "SF Trunked" system). Group Quick Keys are 0-9, so you have 10 you can use (multiple channel groups within a system can have the same GQK).

The GQK enable/disable keypress (F+#) applies only to the system you are currently actively scanning. It does not affect channel groups in systems other than the active one.

SQKs are used to enable/disable entire conventional systems and trunked sites. If you disable all sites for a trunked system, the entire system is considered disabled. In the above, SF Trunked CERS site is assigned to SQK 1 and PWRS site SQK 2. So anytime you are scanning anything, pressing 1 will toggle CERS and 2 will toggle PWRS.
 

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Each trunked system can have up to 20 channel groups. Channel groups are controlled by Group Quick Keys (and in the above, "SF Police" comprises one of the channel groups of the "SF Trunked" system). Group Quick Keys are 0-9, so you have 10 you can use (multiple channel groups within a system can have the same GQK).

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SQKs are used to enable/disable entire conventional systems and trunked sites. If you disable all sites for a trunked system, the entire system is considered disabled. In the above, SF Trunked CERS site is assigned to SQK 1 and PWRS site SQK 2. So anytime you are scanning anything, pressing 1 will toggle CERS and 2 will toggle PWRS.

thx for the clarification, UPMan... so "channel groups" is what I'm trying to understand better.

Yes, the CERS and PWRS (at least in the configuration as downloaded from RR db) come up as different Sites, under the System "SF Trunked" ... so (not to be pedantic) in this case, SQK ends up effectively meaning Site Quick Keys :)

Thank you and everyone on this thread for helping me get my head around the BCT15X, I'll keep working on it!
 
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