Being on different radio systems could cause major Problems?

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Could this happen in places like San Antonio?
Communication Problems
One of the technical limitations that surfaced during the Columbine shootings on April 20 was the difficulty for separate agencies to communicate directly with one another. With 46 separate agencies responding, it was inevitable that they would be operating on different emergency radio channels, and in different parts of the radio spectrum or bandwidth.
Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office and Littleton Fire Department, the two primary response agencies, both operated on VHF frequencies. The Colorado State Patrol also used VHF, but the Denver and Lakewood Police Departments and West Metro Fire Protection District used Ericsson 800 megahertz (MHz). Arapahoe County Sheriff’s Office and Littleton Police Department used an analog 800 MHz system while Douglas County Sheriff’s Office uses a digital 800 MHz “trunked” format.
With such varying systems being used, not only were agencies prevented from communicating directly with each other, but groups with similar functions also could not communicate via radio. Ideally, groups with the same responsibility, such as the various SWAT teams or those officers setting up inner or outer perimeters, would have their own channel to use in order to report and obtain vital information about their particular area.
Additionally, if all agencies are using the same system, a central, or command, channel is established by the lead agency as the single point to which all agencies could report. At Columbine, so many agencies using a variety of radio channels and systems prevented the establishment of such a common command channel.
The inability to establish a common channel for all responders to use during Columbine also has a positive side. The use of a single radio channel would not have fixed all problems. The number of radios in use during the incident would have created an immediate bottleneck if all agencies were attempting to use a single channel. Keeping communications separate between law enforcement, fire and emergency responders helped minimize the confusion and overload that would have occurred on one single channel.
Without a common command channel, each agency had to communicate independently, or attempt to use one of the normal mutual aid channels such as ITAC (International Tactical Channel), CLEER (Colorado Law Enforcement Emergency Radio), NLEEC (National Law Enforcement Emergency Channel) or FERN (Fire Emergency Radio Network).
Each agency communicated predominantly with its own dispatch center. Communications between agencies often had to be relayed through their dispatch center, or through an agency representative at the incident command post.
This emergency procedure to communicate vital information was established out of necessity and, although somewhat cumbersome, the approach worked. The fact that numerous separate agencies did not have common radio channels did not hinder their ability to respond.



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SMB said:
Could this happen in places like San Antonio?

Its hard to tell. :wink:

What were you trying to post?
 

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I am going to throw an Australian perspective into this...

On Christmas Eve 1974, the city of Darwin in the Northern Territory was completely destroyed by a cyclone. Police were sent from all the other Australian states to assist in rescue and public order maintenance. A huge problem arose in that although they all used mid-band VHF, they all used different frequencies. As a result of that, a national UHF Police radio allocation was made in the 467-469 MHz range.

This was a hard learned lesson for emergency management authorities in Australia. The idea of shared radio systems, or at least what we call common liaison channels between systems, made sense and was good practice.

Unfortunately the lessons are now being forgotten. Police across Australia are now moving to new and differing radio systems, ranging from conventional UHF APCO25 digital to trunked digital to 800MHz EDACS systems. Very soon no state will be able to communicate with any other by any radio means other than HF.

The same problem arises with fire fighting. Due to the regular occurance of large bush (forest) fires, personel and equipment are deployed interstate to assist each other. Each state's metro and rural fire fighting organisations use different radio systems on different frequencies. This means that the urban brigades are unable to communicate directly with the rural brigades despite the fact, in many instances, they provide mutual aid to each other.

Now to go back to the original post... the problem of inter-agency communication can and does happen everywhere. I don't know of anywhere in the world where these problems have been effectively addressed.
 
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Yes, it can happen anywhere.

The issue is proper planning.

"This emergency procedure to communicate vital information was established out of necessity and, although somewhat cumbersome, the approach worked. The fact that numerous separate agencies did not have common radio channels did not hinder their ability to respond."

Unless you were trying to make the opposite point? :wink:
 

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Being on Different Radio Systems Could Cause Peoblems

The benefits for public safety are:

Coordinate communications with other agencies and jurisdictions.
Purchase radios and other equipment from more than one vendor.
Upgrade or migrate systems without replacing all your equipment.
Share resources with other organizations to control costs.
I agree with that thay were able to respond but wonder the time frame of being able to respond or what happens if a delay in response time would occur. Good Story from Australia.
 
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