British Columbia unconfirmed Freq/Tg

[XVCham]

Hey all, use this space to share unconfirmed/unidentified frequency and tg of trunked systems, which can later be submitted.

-- ECOMM (New unencrypted tg)
TGID: 91 (Last heard in Coquitlam, British Columbia)
Appears so that Ridge meadow tac channels may be all encrypted. I will leave the tg on scan when I get a chance.

-- Coquitlam (City of coquitlam trunked system)

TGID 90: Bylaw?
TGID 91: Coquitlam animal shelter?
TGID 40: Public works (May be confirmed, last heard them working on some hydrants)

-- Maple Ridge Fire department

Couple days ago, I have heard of maple ridge fire dispatcher telling responding units to switch to tac 4. I have looked up Maple Ridge FD on licensing website to find that they have multiple frequencies including VHF ones. I am aware of Tac 2/3 but I programmed my scanner too late to catch any other frequencies under Maple Ridge FD. If anyone has more information on "Tac 4", Please let me know.

-- Unidentified stations

While playing around with my sdr, I came across a P25 traffic in VHF that appeared to not be part of ECOMM. The transmission was clear and I did not get a chance to write down the frequency, if anyone has info on any P25 systems in 160-170 ish mhz band, Let me know.

 

[Profporridge]

Not sure what 'tac 4' refers to, but I did notice maple ridge has followed ridge meadows and is now on ecomm (Maple Ridge firefighters have new emergency communications system – Maple Ridge News) but I have still heard the occasional call out on vhf.

I guess my days off pretending to be a firefighter are over lol

 

[dwc]

Thanks for sharing. Feel free to submit them as soon as you confirm, we'll get them in the DB ASAP.

Also feel free to join a bunch of us local scanner geeks on the ScanBC IRC channel on Libera Chat;

https://web.libera.chat/gamja/#scanbc

Cheers,

 

[BC_Scan]

Unidentified stations:

While playing around with my SDR, I came across a P25 traffic in VHF that appeared to not be part of ECOMM. The transmission was clear and I did not get a chance to write down the frequency. If anyone has info on any P25 systems in 160-170 MHz band, let me know.

There are three control channels of P25 that routinely show up in search mode that are coming from Washington. They are part of something called JIWN.
We have no P25 in use at moment in that range. That being said, Unication on demo days keeps throwing P25 on their two VHF channels from Burnaby, but it does not have comm's just testing.

 

[XVCham]

Not sure what 'tac 4' refers to, but I did notice maple ridge has followed ridge meadows and is now on ecomm (Maple Ridge firefighters have new emergency communications system – Maple Ridge News) but I have still heard the occasional call out on vhf.

I guess my days off pretending to be a firefighter are over lol

That’s strange, I heard them last testing what appeared to be XPR equipment. I could tell they were XPR because of the “tpt echo” that occurs when they key up and the MOTOtrbo tpt echos inside a room and ends up in beginning of transmissions.

Unidentified stations:

While playing around with my SDR, I came across a P25 traffic in VHF that appeared to not be part of ECOMM. The transmission was clear and I did not get a chance to write down the frequency. If anyone has info on any P25 systems in 160-170 MHz band, let me know.

There are three control channels of P25 that routinely show up in search mode that are coming from Washington. They are part of something called JIWN.
We have no P25 in use at moment in that range. That being said, Unication on demo days keeps throwing P25 on their two VHF channels from Burnaby, but it does not have comm's just testing.

Seems like JIWN is exactly on that frequency range of what I heard. Surprised that my SDR could pick up traffic from Washington despite having the cheap antenna on it. Might try programming nearby sites and talkgroups on my scanner now.

 

[XVCham]

Currently posted system which needs to be verified:

City of Richmond Trunking System, Richmond, British Columbia.
Note: The system is listed as "DMR Motorola Capacity Plus Single Site (TRBO)", according to frequency search results, the frequencies listed are for analog duplex system. One of the frequencies (of trunked site) 453.3625 does not even have a system in existence within Richmond according to the database I used. The callsign of one of the site frequencies lead me to the following frequencies shown below:

Tx/Rx​	Frequency	Location	Licensee	Details
TX	451.2875	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000482737
TX	451.7625	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000284044
TX	452.3625	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000778131
TX	452.6375	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000877282
RX	456.2875	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000482738
RX	456.7625	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000284045
RX	457.3625	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000778132
RX	457.6375	RICHMOND BC - 10251 ST EDWARDS DR	City of Richmond Radio Shop - Voice Radio System	0000877283

Maybe someone in the area can scan those frequencies and see if they are analog or Cap+ system?

 

[BC_Scan]

This is the enigma of Richmond. It is a Cap system that the city never used and now it appears to be off the air. I work in Richmond a lot and I don't even hear their control channel anymore.

 

[Jay911]

according to frequency search results, the frequencies listed are for analog duplex system.

If you're trusting emissions designators in TAFL/Spectrum Direct to tell you what a system type is, you have a worse than 33% chance of getting told the truth, in my experience. For decades there has been an overwhelming amount of analog voice designators used for literally everything.

 

[XVCham]

If you're trusting emissions designators in TAFL/Spectrum Direct to tell you what a system type is, you have a worse than 33% chance of getting told the truth, in my experience. For decades there has been an overwhelming amount of analog voice designators used for literally everything.

I find TAFL to be pretty accurate in my experience. However I get that not everything may be accurate (especially if ran by inexperienced people trying to upgrade their own systems by themselves). I will be in the Richmond area tomorrow, so I will confirm if the system is off air (meaning I don’t hear any Cap+ resting channels) or if the system remains analog.

 

[XVCham]

I find TAFL to be pretty accurate in my experience. However I get that not everything may be accurate (especially if ran by inexperienced people trying to upgrade their own systems by themselves). I will be in the Richmond area tomorrow, so I will confirm if the system is off air (meaning I don’t hear any Cap+ resting channels) or if the system remains analog.

Update: I was in YVR couple days ago, I did not hear the “Cap+ resting channel” on all of the RR database frequencies listed (for Richmond system) in analog modulation mode. As far as my experience is concerned, the system may be off air or is used in analog.

Unfortunately I did not stay in YVR for long enough to fully listen in. If more people in Richmond can confirm that it is a Cap+ system, that would be fantastic

 

[dwc]

Update: I was in YVR couple days ago, I did not hear the “Cap+ resting channel” on all of the RR database frequencies listed (for Richmond system) in analog modulation mode. As far as my experience is concerned, the system may be off air or is used in analog.

Unfortunately I did not stay in YVR for long enough to fully listen in. If more people in Richmond can confirm that it is a Cap+ system, that would be fantastic

Late to the party but I was regularly picking up the rest channel for this system as recent as two weeks ago. I was the one who originally added it to RRDB and BC_Scan is correct, it is a total enigma. Their licenses are odd and from what I have been told this system may only be used for emergency management purposes or special events in the city.

I had DSD+ parked on the system back late in the afternoon on Canada Day. I seen a few key ups of TG 2 pop up. Didn't get any audio, but I believe they may have been using the system for Salmon Fest down in Steveston.

2022/07/01  17:29:23  DCC=1  Group call; TG=2  Ch=3
2022/07/01  17:29:23  DCC=1  RAS  Group call; TG=2  RID=1584  Ch=3
2022/07/01  17:29:23  Current site:  1

Will have another scan later today to see if their rest channel is back up again.

 

[XVCham]

Late to the party but I was regularly picking up the rest channel for this system as recent as two weeks ago. I was the one who originally added it to RRDB and BC_Scan is correct, it is a total enigma. Their licenses are odd and from what I have been told this system may only be used for emergency management purposes or special events in the city.

I had DSD+ parked on the system back late in the afternoon on Canada Day. I seen a few key ups of TG 2 pop up. Didn't get any audio, but I believe they may have been using the system for Salmon Fest down in Steveston.

2022/07/01  17:29:23  DCC=1  Group call; TG=2  Ch=3
2022/07/01  17:29:23  DCC=1  RAS  Group call; TG=2  RID=1584  Ch=3
2022/07/01  17:29:23  Current site:  1

Will have another scan later today to see if their rest channel is back up again.

Are they using RAS? Also, thank you for this helpful update. I am currently out of country and cannot confirm anything until September. So thank you for updating us on the site/system's status.

 

[dwc]

Are they using RAS? Also, thank you for this helpful update. I am currently out of country and cannot confirm anything until September. So thank you for updating us on the site/system's status.

Just had one of my remote SDR's parked on the City of Richmond system again this afternoon. Looks like it's operational, though idle as usual. I watched the rest channel hop a few times between the frequencies on their license so it is definitely Richmond.

I believe they are using RAS. Pretty standard for newer Cap+ deployments these days.

 

[XVCham]

Maple Ridge appears to have gone 90% ECOMM. I do hear some traffic over the Maple Ridge Dispatch channel and the repeater appears to be still in use. Sometimes I hear some crews working but no replies (possibly on the wrong channel). I do not hear any pages (QCII) from them. Should probably monitor a bit more and mark them as "Moved to ECOMM 700, Backup"
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Also I'm monitoring Safelight UHF DMR Cap+ site, will probably post updates on those TG as well

 

[BC_Scan]

What you are hearing is the page out for the callout firefighter. The actual dispatch occurred on E-COMM channel ENC, and than they arrive on scene and determine more resource needed. Tender, pumper manpower etc, Then, the page goes out for the volunteers minutes after that.

 

[XVCham]

Alrighty, time to seek some assistance from fellow scanner enthusiasts prior to updating DB.

Recently I have made some minor discoveries which may seem interesting to some of you.

Conventional Systems:

Lougheed Town Centre:

461.3625 DMR CC:14 - Unsure if using RAS

TG:
1000 - Unconfirmed (Maybe Security?)
2000 - Unconfirmed (Maybe Housekeeping?)

Brentwood Town Centre:

463.6125 - CC0 (Security can be heard on slot 1, unsure of TGID) - Unsure if they are using RAS, if anyone could confirm this that would be much appreciated.
451.1375 seems to be in use as well, no details yet.

Guildford Town Centre:

461.0125 DMR CC:1 (NO RAS) - Should be noted that I'm not entirely sure if this is a CAP+ system or conventional DMR system.

TG:
10 = Security? (Heard on Slot 1)
20 = Housekeeping? (Heard on Slot 2)
40 = Engineering/Maintenance? (Heard on Slot 2)

Burnaby Fire Dept:

I already talked about this system on a different thread but will still post it since this thread is pinned (and some people may be interested in this).

154.4000 (Same frequency as the Analog Dispatch)
Slot 1 (Slot 2 appears unused), CC 1, TG 1 (No other TG seem to be in use), NO RAS, Not encrypted

TransLink:

410.2625 - Activity heard near Port Moody area (Sounds like depot possibly?)
410,9375
411.6125

North Shore Rescue:

162.180 DMR CC:1, Unsure if using RAS
TG: 3000 (Unconfirmed, Normal Ops?, heard on Slot 1)
- NSR operated primarily on Analog, I rarely heard them use DMR.

Trunked Radio System:

Parkland Fuel DMR Cap+ Sys:

Unidentified but confirmed TG: 15, 65, 75

FMS (Fleetnet Mobile Systems) UHF Seymour

Quick note, a lot of the frequencies are also being used by a NexEdge 48 system by what appears to be 1594938 Alberta Ltd.
More information to come after confirming couple of these...

412.6875 sounds like a CC (NXDN)

Will be posting more stuff

 

[XVCham]

Minor update:

Both Lougheed and Brentwood appears to be using RAS. Not encrypted though

I managed to stumble across CSIS P25 Enc conventional system.
421.9375 NAC:73D Encrypted TGID: 1

Appears to be very low power though, was not able to pick them up after travelling just a couple of blocks.

 

[brownmbg]

Brentwood Town Centre:

463.6125 - CC0 (Security can be heard on slot 1, unsure of TGID) - Unsure if they are using RAS, if anyone could confirm this that would be much appreciated.
451.1375 seems to be in use as well, no details yet.

As of Spring 2020, before construction was finished, this is how Brentwood channels were setup. All on DMR / MotoTRBO with encryption.

1 - Security / Dispatch
2 - Ops / Maintenance
3 - Spare / Chat
4 - Construction Security
5 - Simplex Backup

Channel 1 RX – 451.1375 TX – 456.1375 Color Code 9 Time Slot 1
Contact 1 - ID #78

Channel 2 RX – 451.1375 TX – 456.1375 Color Code 9 Time Slot 2
Contact 2 - ID #79

Channel 3 RX – 463.6125 TX – 468.6125 Color Code 0 Time Slot 1
Contact 3 - ID #80

Channel 4 RX – 463.6125 TX – 468.6125 Color Code 0 Time Slot 2
Contact 4 - ID #81

Channel 5 Unknown Freq

Hope that helps!

North Shore Rescue:

162.180 DMR CC:1, Unsure if using RAS
TG: 3000 (Unconfirmed, Normal Ops?, heard on Slot 1)
- NSR operated primarily on Analog, I rarely heard them use DMR.

This should help. As of 2020/2021 ish.

Zone	Channel Name	Bandwidth	Power	RX Freq	TX Freq	CTCSS Decode	CTCSS Encode
NS Rescue	01 NSR Van	12.5K	High	163.29	167.995	100	100
NS Rescue	02 NSR Seymour	12.5K	High	165.555	168.105	141.3	141.3
NS Rescue	03 NSR SFU	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	173.8	173.8
NS Rescue	04 NSR Strachan	12.5K	High	162.69	165.63	118.8	118.8
NS Rescue	05 NSR Bowen	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	107.2	107.2
NS Rescue	06 NSR CthMnt	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	123	123
NS Rescue	07 NSR Grouse	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	225.7	225.7
NS Rescue	08 NSR Tac	12.5K	High	172.83	172.83	110.9	110.9
NS Rescue	09 SAR IF	25K	High	149.08	149.08	Off	156.7
NS Rescue	10 PEP SAR 1	25K	High	149.495	149.495	Off	114.8
NS Rescue	11 PEP SAR 2	25K	High	149.525	149.525	Off	114.8
NS Rescue	12 NSR Sierra	12.5K	High	165.555	165.555	141.3	141.3
NS Rescue	13 NSR Victor	12.5K	High	163.29	163.29	100	100
NS Rescue	14 Talon Heli	12.5K	High	162.18	162.18	131.8	131.8
NSEMO/Mun	01 NSEMO SFU	12.5K	High	158.865	169.74	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	02 NSEMO Bowen	12.5K	High	159.39	169.74	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	03 NSEMO Simplex	12.5K	High	158.91	158.91	Off	127.3
NSEMO/Mun	04 CNV Works Rpt	12.5K	High	171.285	173.745	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	05 CNV Works S	12.5K	High	154.07	154.07	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	06 CNV City Hall	12.5K	High	171.285	173.745	Off	127.3
NSEMO/Mun	07 DNV Works Rpt	12.5K	High	150.245	155.385	Off	103.5
NSEMO/Mun	08 DNV Works S	12.5K	High	154.01	154.01	Off	D743N
NSEMO/Mun	09 PEP EP	25K	High	148.685	148.685	Off	114.8
NSEMO/Mun	10 PEP COORD	25K	High	148.655	148.655	Off	114.8

 

[XVCham]

As of Spring 2020, before construction was finished, this is how Brentwood channels were setup. All on DMR / MotoTRBO with encryption.

1 - Security / Dispatch
2 - Ops / Maintenance
3 - Spare / Chat
4 - Construction Security
5 - Simplex Backup

Channel 1 RX – 451.1375 TX – 456.1375 Color Code 9 Time Slot 1
Contact 1 - ID #78

Channel 2 RX – 451.1375 TX – 456.1375 Color Code 9 Time Slot 2
Contact 2 - ID #79

Channel 3 RX – 463.6125 TX – 468.6125 Color Code 0 Time Slot 1
Contact 3 - ID #80

Channel 4 RX – 463.6125 TX – 468.6125 Color Code 0 Time Slot 2
Contact 4 - ID #81

Channel 5 Unknown Freq

Hope that helps!



This should help. As of 2020/2021 ish.

Zone	Channel Name	Bandwidth	Power	RX Freq	TX Freq	CTCSS Decode	CTCSS Encode
NS Rescue	01 NSR Van	12.5K	High	163.29	167.995	100	100
NS Rescue	02 NSR Seymour	12.5K	High	165.555	168.105	141.3	141.3
NS Rescue	03 NSR SFU	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	173.8	173.8
NS Rescue	04 NSR Strachan	12.5K	High	162.69	165.63	118.8	118.8
NS Rescue	05 NSR Bowen	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	107.2	107.2
NS Rescue	06 NSR CthMnt	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	123	123
NS Rescue	07 NSR Grouse	12.5K	High	162.18	167.775	225.7	225.7
NS Rescue	08 NSR Tac	12.5K	High	172.83	172.83	110.9	110.9
NS Rescue	09 SAR IF	25K	High	149.08	149.08	Off	156.7
NS Rescue	10 PEP SAR 1	25K	High	149.495	149.495	Off	114.8
NS Rescue	11 PEP SAR 2	25K	High	149.525	149.525	Off	114.8
NS Rescue	12 NSR Sierra	12.5K	High	165.555	165.555	141.3	141.3
NS Rescue	13 NSR Victor	12.5K	High	163.29	163.29	100	100
NS Rescue	14 Talon Heli	12.5K	High	162.18	162.18	131.8	131.8
NSEMO/Mun	01 NSEMO SFU	12.5K	High	158.865	169.74	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	02 NSEMO Bowen	12.5K	High	159.39	169.74	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	03 NSEMO Simplex	12.5K	High	158.91	158.91	Off	127.3
NSEMO/Mun	04 CNV Works Rpt	12.5K	High	171.285	173.745	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	05 CNV Works S	12.5K	High	154.07	154.07	Off	110.9
NSEMO/Mun	06 CNV City Hall	12.5K	High	171.285	173.745	Off	127.3
NSEMO/Mun	07 DNV Works Rpt	12.5K	High	150.245	155.385	Off	103.5
NSEMO/Mun	08 DNV Works S	12.5K	High	154.01	154.01	Off	D743N
NSEMO/Mun	09 PEP EP	25K	High	148.685	148.685	Off	114.8
NSEMO/Mun	10 PEP COORD	25K	High	148.655	148.655	Off	114.8

As far as I'm concerned (from my previous scanning history + being in the mall & listening to the sounds of Security/Janitorial radios) Brentwood doesn't use any encryption other than RAS.

As for that list of NSR stuff & NV stuff, that is impressive. Thank you for that (out of curiosity, where did you find them?)

I'll be posting more stuff here as well, just have couple general questions if anyone managed to find what system SeaBus & Canada Line uses (I have a good feeling I know what Canada Line uses, the analog system. I just wanted a confirmation since I saw them using Kenwood radios).