Broadview Hgts must join regional dispatch center

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BROADVIEW HEIGHTS, Ohio – The city must join a regional emergency dispatch center by the end of 2016, under a new agreement with Cuyahoga County.

In exchange, the county will give Broadview Heights $525,000. The city will use at least part of the money to restore a municipally owned site where the county started building a regional emergency operations center about 18 months ago. The county later cancelled the center project.

Also, the county will provide 34 mobile radios for emergency vehicles in Broadview Heights and Seven Hills. Broadview Heights provides emergency dispatch service to Seven Hills.

Broadview Heights must join regional dispatch center, under Cuyahoga County agreement | cleveland.com

 

[SCPD]

oh great...

 

[davidzimmerman]

broadview heights

does this mean their going to the CRAPY Parma Radio System?
Brooklyn Fire was happy when fire moved over to Cleveland's radio system then had to move back to Parma's Radio System.

 

[Hummer8290]

They're in negotiations with Chagrin Valley Dispatch. So most likely on MARCS,unless they insist on Cleveland

 

[SCPD]

They are fine now on GCRCN. I can't imagine why they would want to go to MARCS. It would actually be more logical to go to Parma since they border them. Why in the world would you want to share dispatch with 6 other agencies??!!??

 

[budevans]

As everyone has pointed out there are multiple options for Broadview Hts. Unfortunately the article in Cleveland.com is a mess of mostly old and a little new information all mashed together.

One option not mentioned is the planned Brecksville - Independence Dispatch Center. Those communities are part of the Cuyahoga Valley group. The other members, Brooklyn Hts., Cuyahoga Hts., Valley View and Seven Hills have not announced any decisions regarding their plans for joining a Regional Dispatch Center. Note: It is assumed that Seven Hills will go with Broadview Hts.

There are a number of issues that affects the decision. Brooklyn Hts., Cuyahoga Hts., Valley View and Seven Hills have not announced plans to move off of their analog VHF frequencies. Brecksville and Independence have said they are going Digital. But have not announce if they are planning on joining GCRCN, MARCS-IP, Parma P25 or creating their own Digital trunked or conventional system.

Also, none of the existing systems (GCRCN, MARCS-IP or Parma P25) provide complete coverage for any of the Cuyahoga Valley communities. Every community has area's of dead zones, with the existing P25 systems. It's a terrain issue, hills and valleys and also urban, suburban, commercial, industrial, agricultural and forested area's.

Last but not least, there is the cost. Which is the biggest obstacle. Broadview Hts. got a wind fall from the failed Cuyahoga County Regional Dispatch plan. Which they are sharing a part of with Seven Hills. The other communities aren't seeing a cost justification that they could sell to the public.

My vote goes for the Brecksville - Independence Dispatch plan. But letting each community continue on it's own current systems whether they be analog VHF or Digital.

 

[Hummer8290]

Those Valley Communities have all joined in on a Federal grant to obtain radios,to go "a" P25 platform.The results are still pending. Everyone has agreed to let each,"share" talkgroups for mutal aid purposes.Southeast Communities on GCRN have MARCS and vice versa have allowed it already. Summit has agreed to much the same,in hopes of one day,for all communities to be able to coomunicate again,regardless of daily use.

 

[Hummer8290]

And just my two cents, not meant as a sales pitch,but in my travels,I've never gotten a no service signal from most of those areas,even in buildings,on MARCS or GCRCN. You are correct,no radio system,no matter what it is,can give 100% coverage with no dead zones.

 

[SCPD]

This didn't seem to happen?

 

[budevans]

This didn't seem to happen?

Yep. Same applies to the rest of the Cuyahoga Valley communities.

 

[mszabo2000]

Why in the world would you want to share dispatch with 6 other agencies??!!??

PSAP's receive funding from the 911 fee charged on wireless phone bills. The state is using this carrot to reduce the number of PSAP's in each county by 2018. If a county doesn't reach the state mandated quantity of PSAP's by 2018, they lose the wireless 911 funds.

The state is also mandating minimum staffing, training, power, security, and other requirements to remain a PSAP. Many of the smaller centers can't afford to meet these requirements which is forcing the smaller centers to consolidate with others.

 

[SCPD]

As long as a city has their own TGs, and not shared, I have no real problem.

 

[mszabo2000]

As long as a city has their own TGs, and not shared, I have no real problem.

Sharing of TG's is necessary for a consolidated center to work. Each person has a limit to the quantity of audio sources they can listen to at one time. Dispatchers could be easily overwhelmed if required to monitor too many TG's.

 

[Swipesy]

Sharing of TG's is not an issue with the GRE 800 and Whistler scanners when you program in a Alpha Tag for the various communities RID's. Little more difficult on the Uniden models.

 

[n8vur]

As long as a city has their own TGs, and not shared, I have no real problem.

For something like 40 years now the Westshore communities shared a common dispatch channel (and still do today on MARCS) with the ability to switch off of that main dispatch channel to talk among themselves. As a result, "interop" happened between Rocky River, Bay Village, Westlake, Fairview Park, and North Olmsted seamlessly - with officers having each other's back out on the street and knowing what was coming in to their city before "interop" was a word anyone used.

The notion that these tiny suburbs are better served operating independently in a bubble is, frankly, absurd and its proponents likely believe the Earth is still flat. There's nothing more silly that listening to North Royalton, Broadview Heights, and Brecksville police departments trying to coordinate a search when two officers within eyesight of each other have to talk through each of their dispatchers to communicate with each other.

Also, you took some swipes at Chagrin Valley Dispatch last year in this thread asking why would anyone want to do that. Yet CVD has been very successful, has grown to 13 municipalities and has others in negotiations to come on board. The agencies they serve have a mix with some operating on a common talkgroup and some operating on their own TGs.

 

[W8TJD]

Broadview Heights must join regional dispatch center, under Cuyahoga County agreement | cleveland.com

does anyone have the frequencies for this new system? Primarily looking for seven hills, ohio.

Thanks, Tom W8TJD

 

[davidzimmerman]

does anyone have the frequencies for this new system? Primarily looking for seven hills, ohio.

Thanks, Tom W8TJD

7-Hills is on the Cleveland Radio System all info in the DB

 

[W8SQY]

Seven Hills Fire and Police are dispatched by Broadview Hts temporarily on their TGs.

RIDs in the Wiki Greater Cleveland Radio Communications Network Radio IDs - The RadioReference Wiki

 

[wa8pyr]

PSAP's receive funding from the 911 fee charged on wireless phone bills. The state is using this carrot to reduce the number of PSAP's in each county by 2018. If a county doesn't reach the state mandated quantity of PSAP's by 2018, they lose the wireless 911 funds.

Actually not totally correct, unless the rules under ORC Section 128 changed recently.

Wireless funds will be distributed to up to three wireless PSAPs in each county, unless there is more than 175,000 population in which case it's up to four. If the county has more than the legislated number of wireless PSAPs the funds could be cut by 50% until they're in compliance.

There's nothing in the law that prevents a municipality from retaining their own dispatch center, but wireless 911 calls will still be received by a designated wireless 911 center and forwarded to the municipality in question when needed, and said municipality is entirely on their own for funding.

Under the Home Rule provision of the Ohio Constitution, I don't think the state could even get away with mandating that a municipality could not operate it's own dispatch center, and conversely, they could not deny wireless 911 funds to the properly established wireless 911 centers in the rest of the county simply because some entities wished to retain their own dispatch centers.

We have a number of entities in Franklin County which will retain their own dispatch centers, but will not receive any wireless 911 funds. The Airport Authority and THE Ohio State University are two good examples; they have very specific requirements to meet (mostly due to Federal regulations) which would make being part of a unified dispatch center problematic. A few other municipalities are retaining their own as well, as that's what their citizens want.

 

[W8SQY]

According to an article in the October issue of Broadview Journal, aditional cities will be joining the Cuyahoga Valley Emergency Dispatch Center part of Chigrin Valley Dispatch.

Joining Brecksville, Independence, Broadview Heights, and Seven Hills will be Brooklyn Heights, Newburgh Heights, Cuyahoga Heights and Valley View. Pretty much identical to the Cuyahoga Valley Region previously on VHF conventional.

Expect the center to be operational in early 2019.