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HAMILTON — A Godsend.

That's what Butler County Sheriff's Office dispatcher Angie Day said a
digital 800-megahertz communications system would be for Butler County.

"If we make a mistake, someone can die. It's not like you're burning
the cookies or paperwork is not being taken care of," said the
32-year-old Milford Township resident. "You're dealing with life and
death."

Last week, Butler County commissioners began the process of
implementing a sales tax to pay for the $25 million communications
system upgrade.

Currently, there is no countywide communications system. Each
department has their own system, which is usually analog and often
plagued by static and crosstalk.

Outdated for a county of more than 300,000 people, the system
routinely causes confusion, and could lead to life-threatening
mistakes, Day said.

The 800-MHz system is a digital system that has better clarity, would
eliminate "dead zones" — areas of the county where officers can't get
a signal — and allow multi-jurisdictional communication.

Although the 800-MHz system will be expensive, the cost pales in
comparison to what it might cost if the switch is not made, said Day,
who has another, more personal reason for wanting to see the system
upgraded. Her husband is a deputy sheriff.

"They all belong to somebody. The good guys and the bad guys," Day
said. "And that's our job, to keep them safe."

Taking action

On May 3, commissioners unanimously approved setting public hearings
on a proposal to increase the county's piggyback sales tax rate by 0.5
percent to pay for the system and installation. The proposal calls for
the tax increase to be effective for two years or until it generates
$25 million.

Officials said construction on the new system could begin by early
2006 and be completed countywide within two to three years.

For police, fire and life squad workers who are in the field when the
current analog system sometimes fails, the switch can't come soon enough.

Joseph Schutte, Hamilton fire chief and president of the Butler County
Fire Chiefs Association, recalled an incident in which some of his
firefighters were in the basement of a burning building when the fire
suddenly intensified. Their radio signals weren't picked up.

"It flashed and they were trying to call out," Schutte said. "No one
could hear them."

Luckily, no one was hurt, he said.

Day said nothing can describe the anxiety when a dispatcher calls an
officer and they don't answer, or the officer calls for help and the
backup officer doesn't answer.

"There are times when ... I can't get them because they're driving
right through a dead zone," she said.

Two and a half years ago, that happened to Fairfield Police Officer
Brad Wolfe, 28, of Hamilton.

Wolfe spotted a man who was wanted on charges of rape, kidnapping,
aggravated robbery and auto theft in Hamilton County. He chased the
suspect through Fairfield and Hamilton into Warren County, where the
suspect crashed on Ohio 63.

When Wolfe left his cruiser to arrest the man, he was too far from a
relay tower and lost contact with dispatch.

"We actually had to get back in our cars to have enough power to get
back to dispatch," Wolfe said.

A nationwide issue

Nationally, the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, underscored the need
for agencies to communicate across jurisdictions.

Several surrounding counties are already using 800-MHz systems and
Butler County disaster drills have highlighted the need here, too.

Assisted by grant money, some Butler County agencies have purchased
800-MHz equipment and are using it on a limited basis.

The city of Oxford plans to switch to its 800-MHz digital system at
the end of the month.

Oxford Police Sgt. Matt Franke said it will be well worth the money.

"It's state of the art and will be for quite a long time," Franke
said. "It's very possible in the coming years all Hamilton County and
all Butler County will be able to talk back and forth, whereas before
that was just a dream."

Warren County, which is on an analog 800-MHz system, has provided a
handful of radios to fire and police agencies in Liberty Township,
West Chester Township and Middletown to provide communications
interoperability in areas that cross into Warren County's
jurisdiction, said Warren County Emergency Management Agency Director
Frank Young.

The wake-up call

In Butler County, the catalyst for commissioners' sales tax decision
came on April 18 when sheriff's deputy Brandon Roberts was shot while
trying to apprehend two robbery suspects in Milford Township.

Multiple jurisdictions came to assist, but couldn't communicate with
each other.

"One of my officers and I were in Preble County... and it was
impossible to get (a signal) out," said Oxford Township Police Chief
Preston Schrock.

The 911 audiotape of the incident is mostly unintelligible.

Sheriff Richard K. Jones said the new system is long overdue.

"In the time it takes for you to say `Can you repeat?' you can die,"
he said.

"We're sending them out every day to the front lines. They're risking
their lives," Jones said. "They need to have a few things that are
important — a vehicle that's safe, bullet-proof vests, weapons, and a
radio system."

Roberts, 26, of Hamilton, was released from the hospital Friday and is
recovering at home.

Jones said the current technology is similar to that used in the 1950s
when the county had a population of about 100,000 and there were only
two deputies on the road at any given time.

Now there are at least 22 deputies on the road at a time and the
population has skyrocketed.

"There's third-world countries that have better communications than we
have in this county," Jones said, equating the system to a $25
department store walkie-talkie.

Joe Murray, acting chief for Hamilton Police Department while Police
Chief Neil Ferdelman is on vacation, agreed.

"A lot of times everyone becomes complacent. It was put on the back
burner because of the money then when something catastrophic happens,"
it's a wake-up call, he said.
 

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Gotta love how they think that digital will reduce 'dead zones'. Actually, more towers/sites will reduce 'dead zones'

As for the 'crosstalk' on analog, that's why PL/DPL was created, to help prevent a lot of that. The static is because of older equipment that is probably in need of repair.

So, it's natural for everyone to say "It's the greatest thing since sliced bread"
 

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I agree, 800MHz is not the answer to everything.

I think that the only reason that 800 sometimes seems to work better, is when they put up a new system they usually install at better locations (taller towers, buildings) and more sites.
 

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This is more than just Butler County's decision to switch the 800.
Homeland Security and the state is putting their influence in as well.

For the most part Butler County is surrounded by 800 MHz
(Hamilton, Warren, MARCS, Montgomery) are all on 800 MHz and
you have Indiana SAFE-T on the western border at some point.
Only Preble County to the north has no plans for 800.

In order for the interoperability that the state and HS wishes to see
achieved Butler needs to move to 800 MHz or they get left out.

While it seems that the 154.800 MHz suites them well countywide,
they can longer get parts for their dispatch console when they go bad.
They have been on that frequency for as long as I have been in the
scanning hobby (over 25 years). Also other communities
have already switched to 800 MHz,
West Chester Township has had their own system since 1992.,
and Oxford is getting ready to go line. Also considering that
Butler County is among the most populated counties in Ohio,
it is well past time to move to something new.

Mark
 

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LTR said:
I agree, 800MHz is not the answer to everything.

I think that the only reason that 800 sometimes seems to work better, is when they put up a new system they usually install at better locations (taller towers, buildings) and more sites.
Exactly.

It seems like lately, "We need a new radio system" always means "We need an 800MHz P25 system from Motorola".

Must...not...rant...
 

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Wouldn't it be much cheaper and easier for them all to join MARCS? I can't see that costing 25 mil...?


PS- Did you notice it says Oxford is going live with it's system at the end of the month?
 

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I work for West Chester Township right under the person that makes decisions like this for them. And she said they are joining in on the conversion to a digital-800 as well. Which is pretty sad since their 800 Mhz radio system is only about 15 years old, which too me isn't that old for a radio system to be fully thrown out.

They claim the same problem about these "dead zones" but they plan on fixing them by adding at least two additional tower sites to West Chester. Personally, to me, one tower placed on top of Beckett Hill would hit ALL of West Chester fine.

She said the only reason they are converting the entire system over though instead of just adding the extra towers is because they can't communicate with Sharonville (border on the South) at all since Sharonville is on the Hamilton County system. I just don't see the need in spending millions of dollars on a system just so you can talk to one agency that isn't even really that bad on the boarder. But then again I also still haven't figured out why West Chester PD needs over 85 police officers for a township that the biggest crime is speeding. LOL.
 

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Will West Chester still have an independent radio system when they switch to digital or will the new system be pluged in with Hamilton County (Like what Cincinnati did).
 

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scanner_freak said:
Wouldn't it be much cheaper and easier for them all to join MARCS? I can't see that costing 25 mil...?

Heavily populated metro areas do not have the option of joining MARCS for day-to-day operations account system loading issues.

Tom WA8PYR
 

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wolverine said:
Will West Chester still have an independent radio system when they switch to digital or will the new system be pluged in with Hamilton County (Like what Cincinnati did).

West Chester is in Butler County, they would not join Hamilton County.

If Butler County gets their plan implemented, the West Chester system would be merged into a new countywide system.
 

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Butler County will be taking bids from Both Motorola AND M/A Com..Ugh..

They plan to have 14 sites throughout the County and should have specs ready in about 9 weeks for bidders to review.

They would like to have a contract awarded by fall, winter at the latest and want construction to begin in early '06 with the system to be online 1-2 years after construction start date.

My source of info is also telling me that Encryption is already a part of the ealy planning stages..Another ugh..
 

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I wish I knew if West Chester was doing the Butler County thing too or not. I have never asked, but from all the talks I have heard and been in on, I have never heard joining the Butler County system as an option. I think they are planning on building their own system and then simply adding the channels to talk on the Butler County system into their radios. I know right now West Chester isn't happy with the number of times they get a busy signal trying to make a call.

ANother thing is I know West Chester is sticking with Motorola. They continually buy new radios from Motorola and only them. And their knew radios are capable of Apco-25 I believe.

Unfortunately though I won't be able to get anymore information on this as I just left West Chester and joined Blue Ash as a Dispatcher.
 

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scanner_freak said:
Butler County will be taking bids from Both Motorola AND M/A Com..Ugh..
M/A Com makes P25 compatible trunking systems and radios, so compatibility shouldn't be an issue. I doubt that it would end up being any cheaper, though.
 

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16b said:
scanner_freak said:
Butler County will be taking bids from Both Motorola AND M/A Com..Ugh..
M/A Com makes P25 compatible trunking systems and radios, so compatibility shouldn't be an issue. I doubt that it would end up being any cheaper, though.


It will be a HUUUGGEE Issue if it's a Pro-Voice System :shock:
 

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Butler County still a ways off

The half cent sales tax hike for the county will go into effect in October.
It will take 16 months to collect the funds necessary to start building the system.

We still have quite a wait before the Butler County system comes on-line

Mark
 
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