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Makes me feel like my county got railroaded for a 5 site 6 console Phase 1 system with less than 300 subscribers for $11.5 million.


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Hey, they got the "be$t"!

That is such a tiny amount of subscribers. They probably could have gone with UHF DMR for about $2million.

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Hey, they got the "be$t"!

That is such a tiny amount of subscribers. They probably could have gone with UHF DMR for about $2million.

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All in the name of interoperability. We could have stayed VHF and bought APX7000 to have interop for the price they paid for the APX4000’s.


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So glad to see intelligent comments, not just wild speculation with no basis whatsoever.
 

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The county has a population of well over a million.

I have close to 200 radios alone and 5 consoles on the existing system for one agency. There’s around 20 psaps on the current system.

The comment of 300 users clearly is coming out of someone’s ass.

It’s going to be a 31 site simulcast. The reason for phase 2 is making best use of available spectrum.
 

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The county has a population of well over a million.

I have close to 200 radios alone and 5 consoles on the existing system for one agency. There’s around 20 psaps on the current system.

The comment of 300 users clearly is coming out of someone’s ass.

It’s going to be a 31 site simulcast. The reason for phase 2 is making best use of available spectrum.
What are you talking about? Do you not understand what I said? The 300 user comment was in reference to MY county’s system. Which is nowhere near Michigan. And my point is this. My county spent a 1/4 of the cost of the proposed system in Michigan. And we got bare bones minimum with less than 300 subscribers. I would say Oakland County, Michigan is getting a hell of a deal at $42 million.


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I mean...RF Technology and EF Johsnon's Atlas (for however much longer Kenwood chooses to sell it) will let you stand up a Phase 1 or Phase 2 site for around $29,000 per controller (two typically in Public Safety application), between $8,000 and $15,000 per repeater and $15,000 to $20,000 for the site antenna system.

Anyway, just because a system is Phase 2 capable doesn't mean that it actually benefits any from Phase 2 operation. For example, most P25 systems are limited to only support up to 29 simultaneous voice paths or less...and the control channel is only capable of signalling 36 groups during active calls. Some Phase 1 systems with over 25 channels at a site won't ever benefit from Phase 2 unless one day they potentially need to sell spectrum and downsize sites.
 

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Project25_Mstr said - "I mean...RF Technology and EF Johsnon's Atlas (for however much longer Kenwood chooses to sell it) will let you stand up a Phase 1 or Phase 2 site for around $29,000 per controller (two typically in Public Safety application), between $8,000 and $15,000 per repeater and $15,000 to $20,000 for the site antenna system. "

So 1 site with 2 repeaters would cost a max of $110K (60 + 30 + 20) - right?

How many conversations could the 2 repeaters handle at the same time? 3 or 4 with P25 Phase 2?
 
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Single site, dual repeaters and dual controllers...about $75,000 if you are going for full redundancy and expansion for another two channels but that's a guesstemate for tower services as well. If you shop around you can go in on a budget for about $45,000 if you know where to find equipment for Phase 2. You only get two talk paths in Phase 2 (one channel for control and one with two timeslots for voice) unless you had an Atlas or Etherstack system which has the ability to knock the control channel down to a Phase 1 voice channel temporarily (fine for 3 talkgroups but all others will go Out of Range when the control channel knocks down). RF Technology has stated they would add the feature if it came as a feature request from a current customer.
 
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