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Can you program FRS/GMRS Frequencies into an HT1250 UHF?

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Since i cant find a VHF one im getting a UHF one sooner or later.. hope its not a brick.. ill be making special trips :D

but since MURS are VHF, can you program FRS frequencies into a UHF HT1250?
 

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Since i cant find a VHF one im getting a UHF one sooner or later.. hope its not a brick.. ill be making special trips :D

but since MURS are VHF, can you program FRS frequencies into a UHF HT1250?

It depends on the frequency split of the ht1250
 

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While the radio should accept the frequencies, it is not type accepted to operate within the Family Radio Service. You can however utilize it on GMRS with an appropriate license.
 

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The radio willl accept both the FRS and GMRS frequencies. Both splits will do it. One split is 403-470 and the other is 450-512. James is right about the FCC type acceptance issues.

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Mmm might as well stay off UHF stuff but i want that HT1250LS BAD!!!! i might find someone to trade... but :(
 
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Ht-1250 Frs

I have programed peoples HT1250's to operate on the FRS and GMRS frequencies and they all work just fine. All you have to do is select the proper channel spacings when working with the CPS. The version I have allows you to adjust the KHZ spacing withing the frequencies. I would rather use a couple of HT's over them cheap ass radios you can buy at the walmart that CLAIM to tx @ 10+ miles..... If that was the case the radio would have to transmit at least 5 or more watts in order to get your signal that far... And that's around the same amount of watts that the HT transmits at.
 

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:( I was about to get this HT1250LS but i dont have the CPS for it, i only have everything else for a GP300 lol
 

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If youre still wanting to setup something for your Explorer group, I'd go with MURS. (I think it was you in an earlier post)

Back when I was an Explorer, I had 4 Motorola Sp10s, pimped out with the Speaker mics. On trips and outings, I'd issue them through our sponser officers. I went through them to come up with a fair system of who got the radios and not show favoritism. When we went to the national conference, we were the envy of other troops. Most of the members had scanners, some others who weren't issued the SP's had their scanners set on our MURS channel, so they could RX too. Surprisingly, it didn't get too whackerish for a group of gangly teenaged future cops. We all used to same Galls universal basket weave holders.Our sponser officers would use the radio to call us, direct us when assisting, and we were all on the same page. We used them to bring order and they used them to teach us the radio codes for our dept.

On ride alongs though, we got issued shiny new Sabers. Those were the days.


You can find some nice MURS rigs on ebay, and I've seen some pretty good 6-unit package deals. Then you can find a pimped-out personal rig for yourself. You might be able to bake sale or get some scratch donated for the gang-charger set.

MURS will also keep it legal. Probably never ever gonna get flack for running FRS from the GPs, HTs, or Sabers. But, you are also trying to fly right by your possible future employers.

Either way, have fun.

Rich
 
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If youre still wanting to setup something for your Explorer group, I'd go with MURS. (I think it was you in an earlier post)

Back when I was an Explorer, I had 4 Motorola Sp10s, pimped out with the Speaker mics. On trips and outings, I'd issue them through our sponser officers. I went through them to come up with a fair system of who got the radios and not show favoritism. When we went to the national conference, we were the envy of other troops. Most of the members had scanners, some others who weren't issued the SP's had their scanners set on our MURS channel, so they could RX too. Surprisingly, it didn't get too whackerish for a group of gangly teenaged future cops. We all used to same Galls universal basket weave holders.Our sponser officers would use the radio to call us, direct us when assisting, and we were all on the same page. We used them to bring order and they used them to teach us the radio codes for our dept.

On ride alongs though, we got issued shiny new Sabers. Those were the days.


You can find some nice MURS rigs on ebay, and I've seen some pretty good 6-unit package deals. Then you can find a pimped-out personal rig for yourself. You might be able to bake sale or get some scratch donated for the gang-charger set.

MURS will also keep it legal. Probably never ever gonna get flack for running FRS from the GPs, HTs, or Sabers. But, you are also trying to fly right by your possible future employers.

Either way, have fun.

Rich

same here lol, I have 2 GP300s and thats all im staying with, VHF's only and some UHF.... maybe
 

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Isn't there some limits on the power out on the radios for use? I was thinking 2 watts
 

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Scannerhead1983 can you help?

Hey,

I just found this thread. Scannerhead said some things needed to programmed correctly for these radios to work on the FRS frequencies. I'm just wondering if you could clue me in as to the trick to do this. I'm doing it using CPS and an ex500 radio (so should be exact same CPS software.) Help would be GREATLY appreciated.
 

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FRS .5 watts UHF
MURS 2 watts VHF
Not sure on GMRS as I have seen repeaters and seen some 4watt stuff licensed

50W TPO max (no mention of ERP) on the GMRS primary channels.
5W ERP max on the 7 GMRS interstitial channels, shared with FRS channels 1-7.
 
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When using the CPS you will be able to select the KHZ settings of the programming. When using FRS frequencies in your radio you want to set the KHZ settings to 12.5 as that is the "spacing" in the FRS band.. ex: 462.5625mhz ch#1 frs. Ch#2 will be 462.5875mhz. Most all newer radio's will allow you to select 12.5khz spacing or (steps) in the software. GMRS channels are non 12.5khz spaced. They are 20. 462.5750 is between .5625\ .5750\ .5875 If you have any other questions on doing this just PM me.
 

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When using the CPS you will be able to select the KHZ settings of the programming. When using FRS frequencies in your radio you want to set the KHZ settings to 12.5 as that is the "spacing" in the FRS band.. ex: 462.5625mhz ch#1 frs. Ch#2 will be 462.5875mhz. Most all newer radio's will allow you to select 12.5khz spacing or (steps) in the software. GMRS channels are non 12.5khz spaced. They are 20. 462.5750 is between .5625\ .5750\ .5875 If you have any other questions on doing this just PM me.

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heh,

I was looking for my PM folder and had to do a google search to figure out what was goin on. Apparently since I only have 3 posts it's disabled for me so I can't receive PM's. If you're willing to email me i'm at cynicce@hotmail.com. Otherwise...not sure how long it takes to unlock PM's.

I feel this is like forum videogames having to unlock features by playing :p

Just continue getting yourself situated with the community and put in some valuable input on other forums, just dont over do it and get yourself infracted and all :D that would be all, plus its a great feature to get new members to get interactive with the community before they start plowing down.
 

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When using the CPS you will be able to select the KHZ settings of the programming. When using FRS frequencies in your radio you want to set the KHZ settings to 12.5 as that is the "spacing" in the FRS band.. ex: 462.5625mhz ch#1 frs. Ch#2 will be 462.5875mhz. Most all newer radio's will allow you to select 12.5khz spacing or (steps) in the software. GMRS channels are non 12.5khz spaced. They are 20. 462.5750 is between .5625\ .5750\ .5875 If you have any other questions on doing this just PM me.

The GMRS primaries are spaced 25 kHz apart from each other, not 20 kHz. The interstitials are also spaced 25 kHz apart from each other but are offset by 12.5 kHz so they are spaced in between the GMRS primaries.

Regarding selecting the spacing to select the channel bandwidth: An older "wide" bandwidth channel is often referred to as a 20kHz or 25kHz channel and a "narrow" bandwidth channel is often referred to as a "12.5kHz" channel. Note that the "25kHz" (or 20kHz) and "12.5kHz" choices are usually what you select in the programming to select channel bandwidth. HOWEVER, the 25kHz (or 20kHz) and 12.5kHz desginations are NOT the bandwidth of each. The actual occupied bandwidth is narrower for each channel. The 25kHz (or 20kHz) and 12.5kHz designations in the programming simply refer to the normal channel spacing in the band for a wide or narrow bandwidth channel, respectively. It's a bit of a misnomer in the industry but something to be aware of. Clear as mud, eh?

My first GMRS license in 1992 allowed 20kHz of OCCUPIED bandwidth. The emission designator on the license was 20K0F3E. It worked fine for 25kHz spaced channels. All of my newer equipment won't do 20kHz of occupied bandwidth. The most they will do is 16kHz (16K0F3E) of occupied bandwidth when programmed to "25kHz" mode.

GMRS can use "wide" or "narrow" bandwidth. The FRS/GMRS bubble packs are already using narrow bandwidth ("12.5kHz") on all 22 channels even though they are only required by FCC rules to be narrow on the FRS channels. Older GMRS systems used "wide" bandwidth on all GMRS primaries AND the 7 GMRS interstitials, now shared with FRS 1-7. GMRS operation on FRS 8-14 is NOT allowed at all due to GMRS's higher power operation, wider bandwidth than FRS, and being spaced only 12.5kHz away from the GMRS repeater inputs. FRS 8-14 are part of the GMRS allocation but aren't used by GMRS to protect the repeater inputs. GMRS operation on FRS 8-14 is NOT allowed at all at any power level.

Even though I'm using type accepted commercial gear (i.e., specifically has Part 95 in addition to Part 90) on GMRS, I'm using narrow bandwidth on all GMRS primaries and the GMRS interstitials. I did it to be compatible with the bubble packs and to solve adjacent channel splatter problems from bubble packs in my neighborhood operating on FRS channels adjacent to whatever GMRS primary channel I'm on. I found all of my adjacent channel splatter problems went away as soon as I made the switch from wide to narrow bandwidth opertion. I've found my radios also perform a little better in narrow mode. I'm also going with the flow of everything else in the land mobile industry as older wide bandwidth equipment is being phased out.

Regarding channel numbers, there is no official channel numbering in GMRS. For example, 462.625 is channel 18 in the Moto TalkAbout bubble packs while 462.625 is channel 9 in some older bubble packs. Most seem to be following Moto's example in the bubble packs where 1-14 are the 14 FRS freqs (1-7 shared w/GMRS) and 15-22 being the GMRS primaries.

Recommendations:
- On the 7 GMRS interstitials, shared w/FRS 1-7, use "narrow" ("12.5kHz") bandwidth mode.
- On the GMRS primaries, use "wide" ("25kHz") or "narow" ("12.5kHz") mode. Your choice. I recommend using narrow mode because I've found it helps eliminate adjacent channel splatter problems in the band.
- If you're programming a GMRS repeater pair to use on an existing repeater somewhere, program either wide or narrow mode, depending on what the repeater is set up for.

Good luck.
 
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Thanks for the help. I'll try programming them all in the narrowband. I think they're still set up under 25kHz so we'll see if that has any bearing on anything.

I'll let you know what I find out. Thanks again!

Ben
 
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