Canquest Communication DT3

Saint · Feb 11, 2017

I have been trying to listen to
Canquest Communication mpt1327

I have been listening to it with DSD+ and notice a change to the system. It's not mpt 1327 anymore but someone told me that it's now DT3, can anyone tell me what I can use to listen to this system now, I just have all the frequencies from all that sites in DSD+ and am scanning through them.
any way to set up a DT3 SYSTEM.

Also what is a dt3 system, is it another kind of mpt 1327 system

Steve

mciupa · Feb 11, 2017

Saint said:
I have been trying to listen to
Canquest Communication mpt1327

I have been listening to it with DSD+ and notice a change to the system. It's not mpt 1327 anymore but someone told me that it's now DT3, can anyone tell me what I can use to listen to this system now, I just have all the frequencies from all that sites in DSD+ and am scanning through them.
any way to set up a DT3 SYSTEM.

Also what is a dt3 system, is it another kind of mpt 1327 system

Steve

Hi Steve,

From the WIKI:

DMR Tier III

DMR Tier III covers trunking operation in frequency bands 66-960MHz. The Tier III standard specifies two slot TDMA in 12.5kHz channels. Tier III supports voice and short messaging handling similar to MPT 1327 with built-in 128 character status messaging and short messaging with up to 288 bits of data in a variety of formats. It also supports packet data service in a variety of formats, including support for IPv4 and IPv6.

I'm not sure what scanners you have. Are any of them DMR capable?

My 536 should support this type of system, I may give it a go and see if I can track it.

Saint · Feb 11, 2017

info

mciupa said:
Hi Steve,

From the WIKI:

DMR Tier III

DMR Tier III covers trunking operation in frequency bands 66-960MHz. The Tier III standard specifies two slot TDMA in 12.5kHz channels. Tier III supports voice and short messaging handling similar to MPT 1327 with built-in 128 character status messaging and short messaging with up to 288 bits of data in a variety of formats. It also supports packet data service in a variety of formats, including support for IPv4 and IPv6.

I'm not sure what scanners you have. Are any of them DMR capable?

My 536 should support this type of system, I may give it a go and see if I can track it.

Thank for the info, I did not think of checking the Wiki, yes I have an old radio shack pro 2045 with a tap that I use DSD+ ON, this is a small sample of what's coming up on DSD+ also have a 396t scanner

SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=84
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS VC6
Slot2: Enc GC TG=6684675 RID=6684937
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS VOICE e:1
SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=85
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Bcast MassReg SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; RegWndw=12 Mask=0 Addr=$FF8000
-DMR slot2 BS VC2
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS VC3
SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=86
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS VC4
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS VC5
SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=87
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS VC6
Slot2: Enc GC TG=6684675 RID=6684937
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Bcast SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Type=9 058B 026A99
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC GC End TG=6684675 RID=6684937
SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=88
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=40 id1=6684675 id2=6684937]
00 00 40 660003 660109
000000000000000001000000011001100000000000000011011001100000000100001001111011110001010001100011
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=40 id1=6684675 id2=6684937]
00 00 40 660003 660109
000000000000000001000000011001100000000000000011011001100000000100001001111011110001010001100011
SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=89
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=40 id1=6684675 id2=6684937]
00 00 40 660003 660109
000000000000000001000000011001100000000000000011011001100000000100001001111011110001010001100011
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=40 id1=6684675 id2=6684937]
00 00 40 660003 660109
000000000000000001000000011001100000000000000011011001100000000100001001111011110001010001100011
SYS_Parms: SysCode=10.1100.00010000; Registration req'd; CSC=90
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Bcast SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Type=7 1980 104007
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=40 id1=6684675 id2=6684937]
00 00 40 660003 660109
000000000000000001000000011001100000000000000011011001100000000100001001111011110001010001100011
-DMR slot1 BS DATA DCC=1 CSBK Aloha SysCode=10.1100.00010000 AB; Networked; Registration req'd
-DMR slot2 BS DATA DCC=1 TLC [FLCO=0 FID=0 v8=40 id1=6684675 id2=6684937]
00 00 40 660003 660109
000000000000000001000000011001100000000000000011011001100000000100001001111011110001010001100011
Steve

Saint · Feb 11, 2017

Canquest Communication and encryption

There is someone, I think probably Canada Customs that is using encryption

From DSD+

2017/02/11 17:37:45 Enc Group call; TG=6684675 RID=6684937 Ch=1888 1s
2017/02/11 17:37:47 Enc Group call; TG=6684675 RID=6684885 Ch=1888 Alg=EP KeyID=1
2017/02/11 17:37:48 Enc Group call; TG=6684675 RID=6684937 Ch=1888
2017/02/11 17:37:48 Enc Group call; TG=6684675 RID=6684885 Ch=1888
2017/02/11 17:37:49 Enc Group call; TG=6684675 RID=6684937 Slot=2 Alg=EP KeyID=1 2s
2017/02/11 17:37:50 Enc Group call; TG=6684675 RID=6684937 Ch=1888 4s
Steve

VA3ADP · Feb 11, 2017

I think there was another thread in relation to the users on the system a while back...

I can't remember if the system is DMR Tier lll conventional or in fact capacity max trunking.

What I can tell you is that I can get 1-2 bars from the control channel/rest channel on my scanners out from Mississauga. So far the only activity I've seen on the system appears to be the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls.

I would be surprised if customs/CBSA is using that system. Last time I checked aren't they P25 VHF? or is there another border crossing in Thorold?

Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk

mbstone99 · Feb 12, 2017

Hey Steve, What site/frequency is this you hearing from? I can get the Grimsby and Caledonia sites but yet to hear any traffic on them.. The last time I was down in the Falls I did notice that some of Canquest sites where still using MPT1327..

Matt

mbstone99 · Feb 12, 2017

Air11 said:
I think there was another thread in relation to the users on the system a while back...

I can't remember if the system is DMR Tier lll conventional or in fact capacity max trunking.

What I can tell you is that I can get 1-2 bars from the control channel/rest channel on my scanners out from Mississauga. So far the only activity I've seen on the system appears to be the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls.

I would be surprised if customs/CBSA is using that system. Last time I checked aren't they P25 VHF? or is there another border crossing in Thorold?

Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk

Thorold in tucked in-between the Falls to the east, St Kitts to the north, West Lincoln.. I think to the west and Welland I believe to the South. the only border crossings are in NOTL, The Falls and Ft Erie..

Just as a point of reference.. if you are on the 406 South.. and get off the Highway 58 exit.. before you hit the tunnel under the Welland Canal that is part of Thorold.

Matt

Saint · Feb 12, 2017

other thread

Air11 said:
I think there was another thread in relation to the users on the system a while back...

I can't remember if the system is DMR Tier lll conventional or in fact capacity max trunking.

What I can tell you is that I can get 1-2 bars from the control channel/rest channel on my scanners out from Mississauga. So far the only activity I've seen on the system appears to be the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls.

I would be surprised if customs/CBSA is using that system. Last time I checked aren't they P25 VHF? or is there another border crossing in Thorold?

Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk

This is the other thread , see post #12
Steve

Saint · Feb 12, 2017

updated information

Saint said:
This is the other thread , see post #12
Steve

Sorry this is the information,
http://forums.radioreference.com/ontario/346366-canquest-dmr.html

see post #13

I am in the process of updating the information in the list.
Steve

Saint · Feb 13, 2017

UPdated info on frequencies

I have been listening to the Canquest frequencies and have log this information for anyone who is interested. Anyone who want's to submit this info to RR so they can update there info please go ahead and do so. I am going to submit the 420.275 mhz DMR System.
Steve

420.0250 QUEENSTON Canquest Communication DMR DCC-1
420.0625 NIAGARA FALLS Canquest Communication, VOICE very weak, Hotel Staff,
420.1250 GRIMSBY Canquest Communication TII (HYT) SITE-L13 – 1.1 – DCC-1
420.1500 CALEDONIA Canquest Communication DMR DCC-1,
420.1625 THOROLD FROM TIME TO TIME, DIGITAL NOISE NOT MPT 1327
420.1750 FORT ERIE Canquest Communication DMR DCC-1
420.2625 QUEENSTON Canquest Communication
420.2750 NIAGARA FALLS Ont. This is a conventional DMR SYSTEM DCC-1 TalkGroup-27-CH-1 -slot 2/ TalkGroup-28-CH-2 -slot 1 , Shuttle services bus's picking up people at, Four Points Sheraton Hotel, Embassy Suites, and other sites
420.3500 CALEDONIA Canquest Communication
420.3750 THOROLD Canquest Communication TIII (HYT) SITE- L13 – 4.1 - DCC-1
420.4625 FORT ERIE Canquest Communication VOICE ENCRYPTION, could be Canada Customs
420.4750 QUEENSTON Canquest Communication
420.5750 NIAGARA FALLS Canquest Communication VOICE very weak, Hotel Staff,
420.6750 THOROLD Canquest Communication DMR DCC-1, VOICE ENCRYPTION, could be Canada Customs
420.7000 QUEENSTON Canquest Communication
420.7750 FORT ERIE Canquest Communication TIII (HYT) – SITE- L13 – 3.1 – DCC-1 - VOICE ENCRYPTION,could be Canada Customs
420.8000 NIAGARA FALLS Canquest Communication MPT 1327 DIGITAL NOISE
420.8750 THOROLD Canquest Communication TIII (HYT) – SITE- L13 – 1.1 – DCC-1 - VOICE ENCRYPTION, could be Canada Customs
420.9000 GRIMSBY Canquest Communication
end............

mbstone99 · Jun 24, 2017

Today I have been hearing the encrypted TG 6684675 that Steve has been hearing before on the Grimsby site up to now I have never heard any traffic on the site.. (or the Caledonia one as well)

Matt

Edit: Also saw 6684673, 6684678, 6684679 all pop up on the Grimsby site as well, all encrypted as well.

mciupa · Jul 16, 2017

Hot off the presses. Newly minted trunk system: https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=9481

exkalibur · Jul 17, 2017

Air11 said:
I would be surprised if customs/CBSA is using that system.

That might explain some of the AES comms on the system at least though.

Saint · Jul 17, 2017

Canquest Communication

I have been listening in on 420.375 with DSD+ and this info comes up.
TIII (HYT) SITE-L13 - 4.1 - DCC-1 no traffic so far, strange not hearing Canada Customs on this.
Steve

update

Just listening to 420.875 TIII (HYT) SITE-L13- 4.1 DCC-1 and talkgroups - 6684677-6684675-6684673 encrypted come up and I be-leave this to be the Canada Customs
Steve

mbstone99 · Jul 18, 2017

Here's another site but sure where it is.. 420.7750 CC 1 (Reports as Site 16)..

Matt

mbstone99 · Jul 18, 2017

Saint said:
I have been listening in on 420.375 with DSD+ and this info comes up.
TIII (HYT) SITE-L13 - 4.1 - DCC-1 no traffic so far, strange not hearing Canada Customs on this.
Steve

update

Just listening to 420.875 TIII (HYT) SITE-L13- 4.1 DCC-1 and talkgroups - 6684677-6684675-6684673 encrypted come up and I be-leave this to be the Canada Customs
Steve

I have heard TG 6684773/74/75/77/78/79 all on the Grimsby site and all encrypted.. and 6684759 on I believe if I remember correctly Site 24..

Matt

Saint · Jul 18, 2017

INFO

mbstone99 said:
Here's another site but sure where it is.. 420.7750 CC 1 (Reports as Site 16)..

Matt

420.775 MHZ IS ON THE OLD SITE FORT ERIE
i am listening to 420.775 for the last 15 minutes comming in strong and clear in Fort Erie,TIII (HYT) SITE L13-3.1 DCC-1 and these talkgroups come up so far 6684678, 6684675, 6684673, 6684677 again all encrypted

https://www.radioreference.com/apps/db/?sid=3341

slicerwizard · Jul 19, 2017

Air11 said:
I would be surprised if customs/CBSA is using that system.

I'll just leave this here...

https://hytera.ca/news/canquest-communications-wireless-inc

exkalibur · Jul 19, 2017

"secure AES 256 encryption"

Well, that automatically rules Motorola out of the game. They seem to think us North Americans aren't worthy of AES on DMR.

mbstone99 · Jul 24, 2017

Maybe you guys can figure this out for the Grimsby site.. I have been monitoring with site with DSD+ for the past week,, and noticed a new channel popped up. So it's showing channel numbers 1907/1908 as a CC which would make that the 420.9000 frequency.. but the other one that shows up is channel numbers is 1821/1822. The other frequencies licensed for the Grimsby site is 420.1250 & 420.3625 so it's probably one of those two.

Matt

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