Canton/ Stark County TRS

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In your description, what's "Code" ? Is that supposed to be part of the description? I'll add it after I hear from you.

Thanks!

mike

According to their website it says Building/Code
I'm thinking enforcement and I did hear a reference to inspection being canceled.
So either enforcement or inspections...? I kept hearing bldg. 6, 8 etc. and that's' how they id on the radio.
Building/Code :: cantonohio.gov

I finally have my Pro-106 set up to catch new groups, so as I have time to listen I'll catch more.
16496 Active Encrypted also 16432 encrypted

two unknowns
41136 & 41200
 
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PRO-106 an Canal Fulton Stark County

Have been using a PRO-94 for many years and saw the PRO-106 on sale yesterday so picked one up. I wanted to hear Canal Fulton an Lawrence Twp PDs. Turns out both are using encryption. DARN!!! I will be returning the scanner (Radio Shack said I have 30 days to return it and get full refund).

I must say the PRO-96 is one good scanner. I found it very easy to manually program even though every thing I read says it is hard to do. Reception is outstanding, I really liked the audio and it has some good features. Just can not justify spending the $$$ for it when the only reason to get one was to listen to Canal Fulton and Lawrence Twp PDs (needless to say that is where I live).

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Have been using a PRO-94 for many years and saw the PRO-106 on sale yesterday so picked one up. I wanted to hear Canal Fulton an Lawrence Twp PDs. Turns out both are using encryption. DARN!!! I will be returning the scanner (Radio Shack said I have 30 days to return it and get full refund).

I must say the PRO-96 is one good scanner. I found it very easy to manually program even though every thing I read says it is hard to do. Reception is outstanding, I really liked the audio and it has some good features. Just can not justify spending the $$$ for it when the only reason to get one was to listen to Canal Fulton and Lawrence Twp PDs (needless to say that is where I live).

Dick

It is very easy to program, Dick. The money is a lot to spend, but there is a lot more out there besides Canal Fulton and Lawrence Twp. Take your time returning it, and hopefully you'll discover that it deserves a permanent place on your desk.

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Have been using a PRO-94 for many years and saw the PRO-106 on sale yesterday so picked one up. I wanted to hear Canal Fulton an Lawrence Twp PDs. Turns out both are using encryption. DARN!!! I will be returning the scanner (Radio Shack said I have 30 days to return it and get full refund).

I must say the PRO-96 is one good scanner. I found it very easy to manually program even though every thing I read says it is hard to do. Reception is outstanding, I really liked the audio and it has some good features. Just can not justify spending the $$$ for it when the only reason to get one was to listen to Canal Fulton and Lawrence Twp PDs (needless to say that is where I live).

Dick

I get Canal Fulton PD just fine, and there is much more to listen to beside them, FD will often run on PD calls, so you can find out what is happening from them, other agencies discuss what is happening in town.
 

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I get Canal Fulton PD just fine, and there is much more to listen to beside them, FD will often run on PD calls, so you can find out what is happening from them, other agencies discuss what is happening in town.

So Dick is just misinformed and the database is correct? [database lists canal fulton pd / lawrence twp pd as being in the clear, digital]

All the more reason to keep that new scanner, Dick.

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Plain Township FD

Within the last week, Plain Township FD has been very active on their talkgroup 19632. Tones are still going out on the UHF frequency, but the vast majority of the routine traffic is now on the TRS.
 

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Been listening for close to 8 hours since last night and at least 90% of Canal Fulton transmissions have encryption.

Dick

I don't know what I'm hearing, but 17744 455 D CFP DISP Canal Fulton PD/Lawrence Twp PD Dispatch Law Dispatch comes in fine or did yesterday.

Make sure you have 17744 programmed correctly
 

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Within the last week, Plain Township FD has been very active on their talkgroup 19632. Tones are still going out on the UHF frequency, but the vast majority of the routine traffic is now on the TRS.

I thought they had been using it more than normal.
 

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So Dick is just misinformed and the database is correct? [database lists canal fulton pd / lawrence twp pd as being in the clear, digital]

All the more reason to keep that new scanner, Dick.

Mike

Reconfirmed this morning, Canal Fulton is digital clear. Still waiting on CFP Tac to see if any traffic.
 

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Been listening for close to 8 hours since last night and at least 90% of Canal Fulton transmissions have encryption.

Dick

What software if nay are you using to program your scanner. CFP is not encrypted this morning and receiving loud and clear.
 

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Initial programming was done at the Radio Shack store by cloning another radio. I have added a couple of talkgroups without any problems. I have gone through the object programming and have listed it here. One area of concern is the talkgroup ID. It shows up as 200-02. I tried to edit it by entering 17744 and it changes it to 200-02.

Today is better, I am picking them up un=encryted for most of the transmissions but now and then it sounds encryted (all garbled up).

Thanks for replying and helping out,
Dick

TSYS Object:

TS-0002 MO 800/900
Canton-Stark
Ch1: 853.03750
Ch2: 854.037500
Ch3: 854.537500
Ch4: 855.037500
Ch5: 866.950000
Ch6: 867.312500
Ch7: 868.112500
Ch8: 868.400000

L/Out: Off
Atten: Off
Narrow FM: No
Audio Boost: Off
Duell: 0
Dig AGC; On
Supper Track: On
Multi Site: Roam
Threshold Hi: 95
Threshould Lo: 75
T Tables: Default
Fleet Map: Custom


TalkGroup Object:

Scan List: *02
TSYS: Canton-Stark
ID: 200-02 Note: Entered as 17744 but it changes to 200-02.
Type: group
Tag: CF PD
L/Out: Off
Priority: On
LED Mode: Solid
LED Color: 6
Latch LED: Off
Backlight: Off
Alarm: None
Fav: No
SkyWarn: No
Expert Below
Delay: On
Delay Time: 20
Audioboost: Off
Hit Count: 0
 

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What you are calling "encryption" may simply be garbled data because you can't get a good decode. Your signal strength may not be good enough, or you may have some local interference, or you may be suffering from multipath/simulcast distortion.

But, let me start off by saying some things aren't quite right in your TSYS object:

1. Multisite should be OFF (not roam)
2. Fleetmap should be TYPE-II (not custom)
3. You really only need the control channels programmed in:

866.950000
867.312500
868.112500
868.400000

Fixing the fleetmap should fix the problems you are having with the talkgroups showing up incorrectly.

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As for the potential for reception problems that I mentioned above, if you don't have a good clean signal you will have trouble decoding the digital talkgroups from time to time.

1. Signal strength

Make sure and orient your scanner so that it provides you with the best signal strength possible.

2. Local interference

Sometimes you may have your scanner near computers or other electronic devices that can induce local interference on top of an otherwise good signal. Try to keep your scanner away from devices that may induce local interference.

3. Multipath Distortion (sometimes called Simulcast Distortion)

The Canton/Stark Co system is a simulcast system -- there are many sites, but they all use the same exact frequencies and transmit simultaneously on the same frequency when there is voice activity on the system. This can cause problems, especially for digital reception, if you are receiving signals from multiple sites at / near the same signal strength. The "bits" of information that are transmitted in a digital transmission are time sensitive, and depending slight variances in the time it takes for that information to make it to your scanner receiver [depending upon the transmitter sites you are hearing] can cause the digital bits to appear as a jumbled mess to your receiver. This in turn can cause your receiver to have difficulty decoding the digital signal.

I can't guarantee that this is your problem. I think in general people in Stark Co have few problems with this phenomenon. But it is possible that this is happening to you. Multipath Distortion isn't nearly as problematic on analog talkgroups since your ears are pretty good about copying analog audio even in the presence of multipath.

At any rate, take care of your TSYS object parameters before you do anything else.

Mike
 

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Thanks Mike. The fleetmap fixed the problem. I made the other changes too.

Dick

It is worth buying the programming cable, and a software program WIN500 or PSRedit both have trial versions and a RR subscription too. I have no financial interest in any of the above.

I mess up programming sometimes when programming by hand, software makes the fixes easy, plus I or others could share a file with you.

The good thing about the Pro-106 is you can set Canal Fulton as a priority and scan other things as well.
 

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I've had no distortion problem or simulcast distortion with Stark Co System.
I maybe lucky as I am less than a mile away from a tower both at home and at work. Of course work is also the highest spot in Stark County.

There is a tower right in Canal Fulton, looks like Radio Shack messed up the programming.

As for the potential for reception problems that I mentioned above, if you don't have a good clean signal you will have trouble decoding the digital talkgroups from time to time.

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3. Multipath Distortion (sometimes called Simulcast Distortion)
The Canton/Stark Co system is a simulcast system -- there are many sites, but they all use the same exact frequencies and transmit simultaneously on the same frequency when there is voice activity on the system. This can cause problems, especially for digital reception, if you are receiving signals from multiple sites at / near the same signal strength. The "bits" of information that are transmitted in a digital transmission are time sensitive, and depending slight variances in the time it takes for that information to make it to your scanner receiver [depending upon the transmitter sites you are hearing] can cause the digital bits to appear as a jumbled mess to your receiver. This in turn can cause your receiver to have difficulty decoding the digital signal.

I can't guarantee that this is your problem. I think in general people in Stark Co have few problems with this phenomenon. But it is possible that this is happening to you. Multipath Distortion isn't nearly as problematic on analog talkgroups since your ears are pretty good about copying analog audio even in the presence of multipath.

At any rate, take care of your TSYS object parameters before you do anything else.

Mike
 

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I've had no distortion problem or simulcast distortion with Stark Co System.
I maybe lucky as I am less than a mile away from a tower both at home and at work. Of course work is also the highest spot in Stark County.

There is a tower right in Canal Fulton, looks like Radio Shack messed up the programming.

I have a little trouble with multipath from time to time. Since the cc is 868.4, most of my problems are near the cell towers. Thankfully, the Louisville area works very well. You can find lots to listen to, feel free to ask any questions.
 

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Nimishillen Township either added or renewed dispatching contracts for Canal Fulton FD and Canton Township FD, and Suffield Township in Portage County.
And I know it’s not TRS related, but seemed the best spot for it.
 
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