Sentinel: CC's via HPDB

[Chris0516]

Are CC's included in each system on the HPDB? I can't find any?

 

[KevinC]

Are CC's included in each system on the HPDB? I can't find any?

Control channels? If so yes, if they are known.

 

[GTR8000]

I assume that you're asking about Sentinel when you refer to the "HPDB". If so, then yes, with a qualifier. Sentinel includes all site frequencies from the RRDB, however it does not indicate which are control capable. It treats all site frequencies the same, making no distinction between control and traffic.

 

[Chris0516]

Control channels? If so yes, if they are known.

Hmmm...

I assume that you're asking about Sentinel when you refer to the "HPDB". If so, then yes, with a qualifier. Sentinel includes all site frequencies from the RRDB, however it does not indicate which are control capable. It treats all site frequencies the same, making no distinction between control and traffic.

Yes, Okay

 

[GTR8000]

I'm a bit perplexed as to why you claim that you can't find any. Did you not compare what Sentinel shows with what is listed in the RRDB for a particular trunked site? Surely you would've noticed that all of the frequencies are included in Sentinel.

 

[ofd8001]

My guess is back when scanner memory was minimal, it was critical to put the bare minimum site frequencies. However with Favorites Lists having a much larger cap, all frequencies (voice and control) are included for programming.

There is not discernible difference to having all of the voice channels with respect to efficiency and speed.

 

[tvengr]

Are CC's included in each system on the HPDB? I can't find any?

When you append a trunked system to a favorites list in Sentinel, the sites with their frequencies are included. The sites will be below the departments. If you delete all of the sites, there will be no frequencies. As GTR8000 already stated, all of the frequencies in a site are included, not just the control channel capable frequencies. The control channel capable frequencies do not show up in red when you click on a site.

 

[Chris0516]

I'm a bit perplexed as to why you claim that you can't find any. Did you not compare what Sentinel shows with what is listed in the RRDB for a particular trunked site? Surely you would've noticed that all of the frequencies are included in Sentinel.

You're perplexed, so am I. The Analog frequencies, are easy to find. I knew they were included. But when I have looked for the Site frequencies, I can't find them.

My guess is back when scanner memory was minimal, it was critical to put the bare minimum site frequencies. However with Favorites Lists having a much larger cap, all frequencies (voice and control) are included for programming.

There is not discernible difference to having all of the voice channels with respect to efficiency and speed.

I thought they were included.

When you append a trunked system to a favorites list in Sentinel, the sites with their frequencies are included. The sites will be below the departments. If you delete all of the sites, there will be no frequencies. As GTR8000 already stated, all of the frequencies in a site are included, not just the control channel capable frequencies. The control channel capable frequencies do not show up in red when you click on a site.

I haven't deleted anything from the HPDB.

 

[fxdscon]

But when I have looked for the Site frequencies, I can't find them.

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The site frequencies from the RR database for trunked systems are included in the HP database, not sure why you can't see them.

You're probably familiar with this system based on the location in your profile...

Sentinel shows the departments first in the list for a trunked system, followed by the sites and their frequencies.

In the first pic below, the 4 departments for Duke Energy are circled in red on the left side with the "Eastern Region" highlighted. The TGIDs and their associated info for that department are shown in Sentinel's right side when you highlight one of those departments.



In the next pic, the sites for Duke Energy are listed immediately below the 4 departments on the left side (below the red line) with the "Allenton" site highlighted, and Sentinel shows the frequencies for each site that is highlighted in Sentinel's right side.



The Duke Energy sites start with Allenton, and go down to "Woodys Knob". There are 4 departments and 53 sites under that listing for Duke Energy. Each of those 53 sites that you highlight in the left side will show their frequencies listed on the right side.

Are you saying that your copy of Sentinel doesn't show the sites and their frequencies as shown above?

 

[Chris0516]

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The site frequencies from the RR database for trunked systems are included in the HP database, not sure why you can't see them.

You're probably familiar with this system based on the location in your profile...

Sentinel shows the departments first in the list for a trunked system, followed by the sites and their frequencies.

In the first pic below, the 4 departments for Duke Energy are circled in red on the left side with the "Eastern Region" highlighted. The TGIDs and their associated info for that department are shown in Sentinel's right side when you highlight one of those departments.

View attachment 136732

In the next pic, the sites for Duke Energy are listed immediately below the 4 departments on the left side (below the red line) with the "Allenton" site highlighted, and Sentinel shows the frequencies for each site that is highlighted in Sentinel's right side.

View attachment 136733

The Duke Energy sites start with Allenton, and go down to "Woodys Knob". There are 4 departments and 53 sites under that listing for Duke Energy. Each of those 53 sites that you highlight in the left side will show their frequencies listed on the right side.

Are you saying that your copy of Sentinel doesn't show the sites and their frequencies as shown above?

That is Duke Energy, private industry. I am referring to county government systems.

 

[fxdscon]

That is Duke Energy, private industry. I am referring to county government systems.

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You hadn't made any mention of county government systems previously in this thread, you only said that you couldn't find any site frequencies.

Can you state specifically, clearly, and exactly what systems you are talking about? Exactly where are they located in the HPDB? Post a screen grab of what you are talking about like I did in my post above.

 

[Brales60]

What's HPDB? Something database maybe?

 

[fxdscon]

What's HPDB? Something database maybe?

HPDB is the Home Patrol Data Base (in Sentinel)... Similar to the term RRDB, the Radio Reference Data Base.

 

[u2brent]

1 (1)	013 (D)	Chatham Mtn	Chatham, NC	851.2375	851.6625	852.2125	853.4125c	853.6875c	857.5375	858.1125
				859.1125
1 (1)	051 (33)	Siler City	Chatham, NC	852.6375	852.875	853.050	853.300c	853.6125c	856.1125
1 (1)	075 (4B)	Pittsboro	Chatham, NC	770.20625	771.25625	771.53125	772.45625	772.70625	773.23125c	773.69375c

North Carolina VIPER Trunking System, Varies, Multi-State

North Carolina VIPER Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

North Carolina VIPER TG Category: Chatham County

North Carolina VIPER TG Category: Chatham County Details

www.radioreference.com

According to the RRDB Chatham County does not operate on a trunked system, thus this is a real headscratcher of a thread thus far. But the above link would indicate otherwise.

Chatham County, North Carolina (NC) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for Chatham County, North Carolina (NC)

www.radioreference.com

Based upon the ops provided location.

 

[Chris0516]

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You hadn't made any mention of county government systems previously in this thread, you only said that you couldn't find any site frequencies.

Can you state specifically, clearly, and exactly what systems you are talking about? Exactly where are they located in the HPDB? Post a screen grab of what you are talking about like I did in my post above.

County systems

1 (1)	013 (D)	Chatham Mtn	Chatham, NC	851.2375	851.6625	852.2125	853.4125c	853.6875c	857.5375	858.1125
				859.1125
1 (1)	051 (33)	Siler City	Chatham, NC	852.6375	852.875	853.050	853.300c	853.6125c	856.1125
1 (1)	075 (4B)	Pittsboro	Chatham, NC	770.20625	771.25625	771.53125	772.45625	772.70625	773.23125c	773.69375c

North Carolina VIPER Trunking System, Varies, Multi-State

North Carolina VIPER Trunking System Profile

www.radioreference.com

North Carolina VIPER TG Category: Chatham County

North Carolina VIPER TG Category: Chatham County Details

www.radioreference.com

According to the RRDB Chatham County does not operate on a trunked system, thus this is a real headscratcher of a thread thus far. But the above link would indicate otherwise.

Chatham County, North Carolina (NC) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for Chatham County, North Carolina (NC)

www.radioreference.com

Based upon the ops provided location.

I Chatham County has a VHF system, and that the above CC's are from VIPER.

 

[wtp]

154.325	KIK944	BM	186.2 PL	1	Fire Dispatch	FM	Fire Dispatch
155.835	KAF508	BM	186.2 PL	1	EMS Dispatch	FM	EMS Dispatch
453.800	WAU735	B	156.7 PL	1	Sheriff Dispatch	FM	Law Dispatch
453.350	WNMX396	M	156.7 PL	2	Sheriff	FM	Law Dispatch
460.4125	WMNX396		152 DPL	Sheriff	Sheriff	FM	Law Tac

the 154. freqs are VHF-high analog
the 400 ones are UHF-400 band analog.
this is not a trunking system, a trunking system is the one that has a control channel.
viper is a trunked system and has control channels,(the little c's next to the frequencies on the other guys list above).

 

[fxdscon]

Are CC's included in each system on the HPDB? I can't find any?

I Chatham County has a VHF system,

You have been asking why you can't find control channels and site frequencies. As mentioned above, the Chatham County VHF/UHF system is not a trunking system... there are no control channels or "site" frequencies involved with that system... that's why you can't find them. That system is clearly shown in the HPDB with the conventional frequencies...