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Does anyone have any up to date info on the Fairview Mall at 1800 Sheppard Ave. East?
They were analog but I haven't heard them for a while and a license search reveals that they are digital now TAFL Search Results

This is a tricky one for me to monitor as Woodbine Entertainment has an XPT system close by with much of the same frequencies, but WEG uses Color Code 13.
 

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I was in the area and took a minute to listen around, since I got DSDPlus last week and I've been having fun with it. From the TAFL frequencies:

452.3625, DMR CC 1, TG 11, SLOT 2. Sounded like some sort of maintenance from what I heard.

452.5375, DSD is spitting up DMR - BS, CC 13. No transmissions though.
 
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Thanks for that, at least you weren't seeing TIII Std or TIIInonStd.
I'll be checking DSD+ as well and also make a "quasi" system in my 536 with those color codes and see what develops.
 

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452.5375 is definitely Security. TG 1, Slot 1. However it's shown CC as both 10 and 13. RAS was popping up a bit as well, but not always.
 

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452.5375 is definitely Security. TG 1, Slot 1. However it's shown CC as both 10 and 13. RAS was popping up a bit as well, but not always.
There are a couple reasons that I could be thinking as to why Restricted Access to System would be intermittent like that. One, it could be because of where you're located that you aren't picking up the data packet associated with such feature. Two, it could also be that they are using RAS in what is referred to as "Migration Mode". Essentially, it will allow radios with and without RAS to use the system together.

Now with that, you said "CC 10 and 13" are showing up. I wonder if they are using a repeater system at all. Here's why... It almost sounds like a feature that Motorola Solutions has in their MotoTRBO radios called "Extended Range Direct Mode". I have yet to fully play with this feature, but my understanding is that the radios not only send out a beacon to one another every so often, but they allow you to listen on 1 color code, and transmit on another. However, I believe that the MotoTRBO SL repeater can also have this feature enabled into them, I would have to look into that.

Now, if they aren't using a repeater system, this could furthermore explain why RAS is intermittent. Because on "simplex" or "talkaround", there's two things that don't matter. One is RAS. Because there's no system to acknowledge said "repeater password". Secondly, despite what some want to believe, timeslots also don't matter on simplex. Because there's no controller built into the radios to separate the traffic. That is what the repeater's job is. However, if you have to wrong timeslot selected, your radio will remain muted upon RXing... Long story.
 

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I was quite close to the mall and the signal was very strong - so not sure it would be that.

However, your colour code theory may have some validity to it. There is what seems like a lower-power beacon sent out intermittently on the same frequency, just data, no voice.
 

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I was quite close to the mall and the signal was very strong - so not sure it would be that.

However, your colour code theory may have some validity to it. There is what seems like a lower-power beacon sent out intermittently on the same frequency, just data, no voice.
If it's a lower power frequency, I would say they are probably using extended range direct mode then. Because even a repeater would send out a beacon at whatever power setting the repeater is set to. Essentially that would do the same thing as the "Extended Range Direct Mode." It beacons to tell other nearby radios that they are within in range of each other.

I will monitor it for the next couple of days, and I will get back to you on my findings here. In the meantime, I will also play around with my XPR-7550e units and said feature to try and learn a little more about it.

There is another theory that it could be text messaging, LRRP requests, or other versions of data being sent form the radios. But truthfully, I've been in this mall a handful of times, it's run-down and I doubt they are going to pay for the infrastructure and the software to be able to handle these operations. When it comes to text messaging, unless they are using "Quick Text," I can't see them doing that either. Way too much effort for virtually no reason.

However, I have a way to monitor for that traffic too. We will connect again soon.
 
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