CFD Apparatus status

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WOW, great looking truck! I can't believe the amount of smarts that thing has built into it - I'm sure it'll be a big chore to train everyone on all those features.

At 82,000lbs, is it going to have a hard time making it up either of the hills?
 

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They didn't mention it having any issues on the hills, but it's not going to have much rural benefit because of the weight over bridges and etc., and the lack of hydrants to feed it. Maybe it could be used strictly as an escape platform if required.
 

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WOW, Jay that is an amazing truck, i take it it's a better truck then an E-One bronto skylift, machancial and cost wise?
 

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Cochrane seems to think so.. they were mentioning (joking? maybe) last night that there would be a logo of a T-Rex with "that other dinosaur" in its jaw going on the truck some time soon. :)
 

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so why didn't CFD buy any platforms like these? (why did we go with E-One towers)
 

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Speaking of stations, 16 Squad is headed over to 33 - is that to respond out of there or for some sort of orientation/ceremony?
 

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Looks like any ceremony will have to wait until another day when there are less construction workers hanging about...

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I would suspect the Squad is trucking over equipment and supplies needed for the crews when they get there, i.e. beds and bedding, station equipment like hose racks and gear lockers, fitness equipment, furniture, etc.

CityBeat will definitely have a press release when 33 has its grand opening.

As for 27 .. if you mean to ask about what will become of it, I suspect it will be torn down and replaced with whatever the new tenants plan to build. I don't know who the Airport Authority plans to lease the lands to at this point.

CFD has found that the response times are better with 27 Pump located out of 13, so it will stay there.
 

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ow, i thought that they were just going to fix #27 and re-open it, but i understand

So #33 is 4 bays, 2 bays deep?
I suspect on #33 pump and maybe #29 tank, and some medics are to be stationed there?

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I would doubt that 29 Tank is moving down there, but anything is possible. If they move the tanker anywhere, I would think it would go to 35 once it gets built. There's more need for the tanker further north, as there is lots more non-hydrant areas inside the city limits north of 29 station than south. EMS is rumored to be going into 33, but in what capacity I don't know. I've heard everything from "maybe (one truck)" to 2 trucks and 2 spares, from street medics to deputy chiefs. We'll see.

A partner at work told me that the alerting equipment was installed yesterday - could have been why 16SQ was there. I would peg the opening as the first or second week of October, which makes even more sense when you consider that the first or second week of October is Fire Prevention Week all over North America.
 

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Oddball CFD question of the day. Why do 17 Station's radios have a pre-talk beep/squawk? Its something I've noticed just on their radios and with no other station.
 

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Probably got to do with the tower site they're on. If a particular repeater is starting to have trouble, a 1000Hz tone will precede and follow transmissions on that repeater. Could be that one channel on Spy Hill is starting to go bad - this has happened before. It may be just luck that you're only hearing it on 17's radios.

Meanwhile.. check this out I found out on another board...

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Good looking truck - do they even use it though? How would it get toned out?

Oh, and Jay - the tones I hear from 17 are more of an FRS radio type series of beeps when they first press the mic. I didn't know if they had a different type of radios and that's why I only hear them from 17 or what the scoop is.
 

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Tsuu T'ina's department isn't officially running yet. It's unknown who if anyone will be dispatching them. If they are done by PSC, they will be station 61.

During the large bale fire there last night/today, the Tribal Police tried to summon the TTFD brush truck with reportedly no success. I don't know if they contacted the upcoming chief or what they did.

Word is they have a new Kenworth pumper, the aforementioned aerial, their old bush buggy that they had years ago (repaired and refurbished), and the old tanker that they had years ago (which has been in use in Siksika since then). The last two trucks reportedly received damage when left outside in sub-sub-subzero temperatures in the late 1990s with water aboard, but as I say, have been fixed.

As for 17 Station, they don't have any different radios. What you might be hearing is the talk permit tone. It's a very quick 3-tone chirp at the beginning of a trunking transmission to inform the user that the channel grant went through properly and the talkgroup is open and ready to receive their transmission. On this Youtube clip at 00:21 or so, you can hear the talk permit tone. Some radios, especially in echo-ey environments, will actually pick up the last little bit of the talk permit tone as the user is keying up.
 

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Jay, lately it seems like all MVAs that have any fluids reported have one of the 2 Hazmat trucks responding. Is this something new that was implemented? It seems a little excessive and 95% of the time the Hazmat unit is returned.
 

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That truck is in service as of this past Monday.

I would suspect the deck gun/monitor is where it is for the purpose of doing a "speedlay". It's probably connected to the hose bed with a preconnected length of hose and able to be rapidly deployed.
 

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Good looking truck.

When they say 36 Station, will it eventually go to 3 when it is renamed? Or for some reason can 2 Squad or 2 Engine not exist?

Oh, and is that 36 Pump different than the new 2 Pump we saw in the earlier picture? Or are there 2 new trucks?
 
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I'm pretty sure that it is a separate truck. I didn't see a close-up of the "2 Pump" apparatus, but it should have a "shop number" on the front doors, below the windows, in about 1.5" tall lettering. This is the number that denotes a truck's position in the CFD fleet. It's a letter, two numbers for the truck's number, and two letters for the year of purchase. The new 36 Pump is P4908, which is P for Pumper, 49 for the 49th pumper in the fleet, and 08 for a 2008 purchase. The original Bronto truck (the big one) is A0298, for the 2nd Aerial in the fleet, purchased 1998. For the most part, the number "in the fleet" means virtually nothing - as older trucks are retired, their numbers are re-used; for example, A0471 was an aerial parked at Training for ages, until it was finally put out to pasture even further (auctioned off or otherwise disposed of); one of the "baby Brontos" became A0406 in its place.

Having said all that, 2 Pump's "normal" truck these days is P0398, which is a pumper built in 1998. For a number of reasons and through a number of different rules and international standards, fire apparatus must be newer than a certain age. Some rules/guidelines say 15 years, some say 20 years, and I think some might say 12 years or shorter. If Calgary is replacing their trucks on a 10 year cycle, that means that you will see a whole mess of new pumpers this year and in 2010. (36 Pump was using P1098 for a while and there are tons of Pxx98 and Pxx00 trucks out there.)

The issue with the naming of 36 Pump may have something to do with something I think I mentioned earlier in this thread about capital expenses. When a station is approved in budget, its pumper is allocated at the same time. So perhaps it must remain named 36 Pump to satisfy the capital expenditure for what is for now named 36 Station.

The intent on naming CFD apparatus for about the past three or four years has been to call everything with a pump and water on board an "Engine", to align with the international standards on incident command systems. (Google "Incident Command Structure" or "National Incident Management System" for more info on these.) That's why the squads have "ENGINE 10-02" and things like that on them. The plan has not been followed through with for reasons I'm not 100% clear on; I think a lot of the delay has to do with the chief officers of the department going through turnover (i.e. Wayne Morris leaving and Bruce Burrell coming aboard, and the deputy chiefs retiring and being appointed), and different plans being assessed.

Last tidbit of the moment: Rumors abound of two Quints (trucks like 16 Aerial) being on order for CFD. Whether they will be operated as Quints or as Aerials remains to be seen, as well as any further details. I literally have heard nothing more than the above.
 
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