CFD Apparatus status

[Jay911]

Ahh, if you only knew how many times firefighters hear "Is (that) normal?" when something crazy happens

Pumper trucks have, usually, an onboard tank used to fight fire before the hydrant is hooked up, called a 'booster tank'. They hold between 200 and 1000 gallons of water, depending on the truck and who built it and what it's used for. (City pumpers have 500 gallon tanks, rural pumpers often have 1000 or larger.)

The above video is indicative of what happens when, while hooked up to the hydrant, the operator tries to put more than x gallons of water in an x gallon sized tank. (What he needs to do is shut off the valve to the tank fill pipe!)

 

[MrVelvet]

Just heard "Tsu Tina Fire" make a call into dispatch on C16.

The dispatcher sure sounded surprised to hear them.

 

[ENGINE_4]

I have a question. In yestersdays incident at Malborough Elementary School was the hole hazmat team

used; so like #4 and 16 hazmat, the decon truck at #30 staion and CFD's new hazmat trucks ( the new

haztec trucks, and that new hazmat pick up response truck ( the huge long new one))??? , thanks

 

[Jay911]

I don't think both hazmats made it there, just the one. I know the recovery truck and decon unit were NOT there. Two haztechs went to the scene in two separate trucks, HT3 and HT4.

As for the Tsuu T'ina Fire talking on C16, that's a Redwood member who is also a Tsuu T'ina member, using his Redwood-issued radios to talk to dispatch. The latest word I heard from on high is that even if Tsuu T'ina becomes dispatched by Calgary PSC, it won't be until after the new year, after the provincial ambulance amalgamation has settled (too many things on one plate).

 

[ENGINE_4]

Thanks for the info Jay!!!!!, hey do you know whats in station 14 these days, thanks

 

[Jay911]

Same thing as usual.. pump, aerial, two medic units (one 24 hour, one 12 hour). Since 36 has their new pumper, I doubt the one 'loaned' to 14 so that it'll fit in with the aerial there won't be leaving any time soon.

 

[ENGINE_4]

so then that aerial thats in #14 is a SSV, is 19 and 24 station's still running theres?, thanks

 

[Jay911]

#19 and #24 both have no aerials right now due to the lack of functioning trucks. At this rate, CFD may make some permanent relocations for aerials and such.. as in, one or both of those halls, or other ones, may not get an aerial back. The city is expanding and developing at such a rate that it may make more sense to put any replacement aerial in another location for better service.

Here's a bit of news: CFD is again looking hard at renaming their fleet to match the international standards in terms of emergency management and incident command. All pumper trucks in that kind of system are called engines, and all trucks that haul water are called tenders. (Tankers, in that system, have wings, and carry literally tons of water at a time.) Things that have tools to do rescue are called rescues.

Quick little glimpse at what's coming in the new year.

 

[MrVelvet]

Same thing as usual.. pump, aerial, two medic units (one 24 hour, one 12 hour). Since 36 has their new pumper, I doubt the one 'loaned' to 14 so that it'll fit in with the aerial there won't be leaving any time soon.

The old 14 pump that 36 was running for a while is now the new 10 Squad. I saw it downtown a couple weeks ago and it has been re-stickered as 10 Squad. I noted the pump number and verified that it was the old 14 Pump.

 

[MrVelvet]

#19 and #24 both have no aerials right now due to the lack of functioning trucks. At this rate, CFD may make some permanent relocations for aerials and such.. as in, one or both of those halls, or other ones, may not get an aerial back. The city is expanding and developing at such a rate that it may make more sense to put any replacement aerial in another location for better service.

Here's a bit of news: CFD is again looking hard at renaming their fleet to match the international standards in terms of emergency management and incident command. All pumper trucks in that kind of system are called engines, and all trucks that haul water are called tenders. (Tankers, in that system, have wings, and carry literally tons of water at a time.) Things that have tools to do rescue are called rescues.

Quick little glimpse at what's coming in the new year.

You would think 19 would be in line to gt their aerial back. 14 seems to have to make too long of a run to be the SSV on Deerfoot.

Any benefit to renaming the fleet? Or is it simply to say that they are "standardized"? Is that why the new pumps are labeled as "Engine" and the new Emergs are labeled as "Rescue"?

 

[Jay911]

You would think 19 would be in line to gt their aerial back. 14 seems to have to make too long of a run to be the SSV on Deerfoot.

Any benefit to renaming the fleet? Or is it simply to say that they are "standardized"? Is that why the new pumps are labeled as "Engine" and the new Emergs are labeled as "Rescue"?

The city would set up their aerial deployment depending on what's best to cover the needs overall. Something else I didn't mention is I heard a rumor that all new engines will have SSV capability, so the use of aerials for that purpose may drop significantly soon. (That may be because of the fact that aerials are in short supply, too.)

Going by the National Incident Management System (NIMS) naming standards will help in accreditation, which is a fancy way of saying that the department is of high caliber.

Yes, that's why all the new trucks are being labeled as they are.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Wasn't 14 pump one of the "special" CAFS pumps? (17 pump, 22 pump, 12 pump and 14 pump)???, or am i just totally wrong


What did 10 Squad replace?, do you know Mr.Velvet?, thanks

 

[Jay911]

Those four pumps were bought at the same time, but I don't know if they are unique to the fleet. Probably not; just the first ones to get CAFS.

P2604 is actually 10 Pump not 10 Squad. 10 Pump was P0794 (an older yellow one) which is now a spare pump.

 

[MrVelvet]

P2604 is actually 10 Pump not 10 Squad. 10 Pump was P0794 (an older yellow one) which is now a spare pump.

Whoops, yeah now that I remember that. I was confused because when I saw it 10 Squad was at 1 station and they were at a call below my building and the new 10 Pump pulled up beside them on the way back to 10.

Couple questions on the new naming.

Will they be calling them Engine 1, or 1 Engine? Name or number first?
Will Squads still exist or is there a new name for them?
What will happen at 1 Station with their 2 pumps?
Aerials? Same name?

Thanks for the info Jay.

 

[ENGINE_4]

Will they be calling them Engine 1, or 1 Engine? Name or number first?
Will Squads still exist or is there a new name for them?
Aerials? Same name?
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Im pritty sure that the naming for the Engines would be Engine 1

squads i have no clue, hopefully Jay can anwser that one.

Aerials; i think would be called ladders.

Does anyone know if #29 pump (the pope mobile) is still in service,thanks

 

[MrVelvet]

Jay, just heard a call for 14 Emerg - did they put a new emerg in the hall/move 31 back in the hall and move the aerial out?

 

[Jay911]

Jay, just heard a call for 14 Emerg - did they put a new emerg in the hall/move 31 back in the hall and move the aerial out?

Geez, if they did, they did it yesterday or today. I asked a contact in CFD about 3 weeks ago if 31 Emergency was a permanent change, and he thought that was the case.

Im pritty sure that the naming for the Engines would be Engine 1

squads i have no clue, hopefully Jay can anwser that one.

Aerials; i think would be called ladders.

Does anyone know if #29 pump (the pope mobile) is still in service,thanks

Whoops, yeah now that I remember that. I was confused because when I saw it 10 Squad was at 1 station and they were at a call below my building and the new 10 Pump pulled up beside them on the way back to 10.

Couple questions on the new naming.

Will they be calling them Engine 1, or 1 Engine? Name or number first?
Will Squads still exist or is there a new name for them?
What will happen at 1 Station with their 2 pumps?
Aerials? Same name?

Thanks for the info Jay.

I'm pretty sure P1694 (29 Pump) is still around.

CFD met with Public Safety Communications officials on Monday, discussing the nomenclature to be used. I don't know the results of that meeting, but I'd personally prefer "number-unit", i.e. "1-01 Engine". The squads and such are also Engines in the NIMS management structure. Technically, even bush buggies and what CFD calls "tankers" are engines, strictly speaking; anything that carries water and has a pump to move it is an engine in the NIMS structure, but I'm pretty sure CFD will be bypassing that for bush buggies and tankers. Stations with multiple engines will most likely be named "1-01 Engine" and "1-02 Engine", "10-01 Engine" and "10-02 Engine", etc.

It is entirely possible that CFD will go other ways with the naming structure. They could name it "unit-number", i.e. "Engine 1-01", and/or they could choose to number things an entirely different way, by numbering trucks as per how many of each unit type there are, instead of what station they're at. So #1 Station might have Engine 2 and Engine 7. And when #2 Station's pumper, Engine 3, goes in for repair and they get a spare, now they're using Engine 51. And that last bit (there are at least 51 pumpers in the fleet right now) is the most important reason why I hope they don't go with that situation, because it would require all rural stations to change their numbering immediately. Would that be a bad thing? Logistically speaking, it would make sense for everyone to use a similar naming scheme, but it would have to be coordinated and agreed upon amongst all those dispatched by PSC.

Nothing was definitively mentioned about 'aerial' vs 'ladder', but either term would be appropriate in NIMS - though they'd have to pick one. Take note, "Bronto" fans. And "quint" fans, for that matter.

New rescues are labeled "Rescue" for that reason... "Emerg" stands for "Emergency Rescue Unit", but really, that doesn't describe their purpose.

I don't know if they plan to change the names of bush buggies, but if they do, it technically should be an engine, but a Type 1 instead of a Type 3 (which is what a regular pumper is). I doubt they'll go that way.

 

[MrVelvet]

Geez, if they did, they did it yesterday or today. I asked a contact in CFD about 3 weeks ago if 31 Emergency was a permanent change, and he thought that was the case.

It sounded like it was simply a temporary move. The crew of 14 Emerg headed to 16 late in the afternoon stating, "They have an aerial ready for us" - so it must have been a temporary move. Although the way they phrased it, it didn't sound like it was the usual 14 Aerial.

 

[ENGINE_4]

CFD met with Public Safety Communications officials on Monday, discussing the nomenclature to be used. I don't know the results of that meeting, but I'd personally prefer "number-unit", i.e. "1-01 Engine". The squads and such are also Engines in the NIMS management structure. Technically, even bush buggies and what CFD calls "tankers" are engines, strictly speaking; anything that carries water and has a pump to move it is an engine in the NIMS structure, but I'm pretty sure CFD will be bypassing that for bush buggies and tankers. Stations with multiple engines will most likely be named "1-01 Engine" and "1-02 Engine", "10-01 Engine" and "10-02 Engine", etc.

It is entirely possible that CFD will go other ways with the naming structure. They could name it "unit-number", i.e. "Engine 1-01", and/or they could choose to number things an entirely different way, by numbering trucks as per how many of each unit type there are, instead of what station they're at. So #1 Station might have Engine 2 and Engine 7. And when #2 Station's pumper, Engine 3, goes in for repair and they get a spare, now they're using Engine 51. And that last bit (there are at least 51 pumpers in the fleet right now) is the most important reason why I hope they don't go with that situation, because it would require all rural stations to change their numbering immediately. Would that be a bad thing? Logistically speaking, it would make sense for everyone to use a similar naming scheme, but it would have to be coordinated and agreed upon amongst all those dispatched by PSC.

Nothing was definitively mentioned about 'aerial' vs 'ladder', but either term would be appropriate in NIMS - though they'd have to pick one. Take note, "Bronto" fans. And "quint" fans, for that matter.

New rescues are labeled "Rescue" for that reason... "Emerg" stands for "Emergency Rescue Unit", but really, that doesn't describe their purpose.

So when is CFD going to change all of this around? like the calling of rigs "pumper" to "engine" etc...


So then 14 emerg. went back to 31?, im confused.

 

[MrVelvet]

So then 14 emerg. went back to 31?, im confused.

I think they must have had a spare emerg.