Nobody is doubting that. But RichardKramer appeared to be using the accusation of someone else breaking one law (speeding) as a justification for him breaking another law (causing intentional interference). The fundamental flaw in that should be obvious, regardless of the outcome or consequences of each.
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If they have a grandfathered and active license would they be in the right. If they just started using the service unlicensed, they would be doing something wrong and illegal.
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Under the current rules, 2 watts or less with non-removable antenna, it would be under the FRS rules and completely legal for them to be using.
Purposely interfering with them was not legal. And it was childish.
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I guess I am missing the point in the 95 FCC rulings about grandfathered vs business use of personal radio services and "family radio services" in particular. I respectfully digress, then.
However, with all the little 4 and 5 year olds on the channel, I think public safety would be better served using a business radio without all the kiddies kerchunking and call signalling when you are trying to reach the other flagger on road construction projects. But I could be wrong about that also.
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Well, Part 95 and grandfathered licenses = GMRS or MURS.
Many years ago small companies could license on GMRS. It was sort of a legal dumping ground for small businesses.
MURS, before it was MURS, were itinerant/low power radio frequencies, often used for retail, contractors, etc.
Before FCC screwed the pooch and combined a licensed radio service (GMRS) with a license by rule radio service (FRS), it worked well. My employer still has a few grandfathered GMRS licenses, although they don't get used anymore.
MURS was in response to radio manufacturers flooding the market with low power VHF radios. At one point, Home Depot sold Motorola radios for $200 bucks that works on what are now the MURS frequencies, as well as some of the other low power itinerant channels.
So many radios were sold and so few people actually got licensed, that it turned into a big mess.
Like CB, MURS and to a certain extent, GMRS, became an unmanageable mess with no hopes of ever reining it back in. So the FCC just cut it loose.
But, that didn't address the companies that were legally using these frequencies on higher powers and had gone through the effort o properly license, and have high end quality equipment. In response, the FCC gave them a 'grandfathered' status that let them keep running under the terms of their license. As long as they don't make any major changes, they can keep doing so. On GMRS, I used to have a local towing company that was legally licensed to run a repeater and a bunch of radios for their towing operations. Used to piss off newcomers that there was a business user on GMRS, to the point that some of the less intelligent people would attempt to interfere with their operations as a childish way to 'teach them a lesson'. The towing company was completely in the right, they had a valid FCC license to use the frequency on a shared basis. The newbie GMRS users were specifically violating FCC rules by causing purposeful and harmful interference to a legal user.
But as for the 2 watt FRS radios….
For a small retail operation, it was sufficient for their needs. It didn't require frequency coordination and didn't require licensing. They were inexpensive radio solutions that fit the needs of the users.
And if the end users took the time to understand CTCSS/DCS squelch, they wouldn't have to listen to kids.
Kiddies and flaggers are only a problem if you scan without benefit of your own PL. Filtering out unwanted noise what they were designed to do.
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I misunderstood, then. I though the grandfathering only applied to the businesses that kept their licenses renewed and did not modify their equipment in any way.
I assumed FRS was "Family Radio Service" and I understood the FCC wasn't issuing "new" business licenses, just letting paid up business licenses to continue with the same equipment (thereby phasing them out through expiration and equipment failures). I have seen some say Part 90 radios may be used under Part 95 even though they aren't FCC certified for such operation. But the Part 95 rulings state that ONLY radios certified under Part 95 may do so.
As far as I knew, PL filters out the audio by not opening the squelch, but the interfering signal is still there. But I could be misunderstanding that aspect also. My radio still sees the interference, as indicated by the "busy" indicator, even though I do not hear the transmission.
It doesn't really matter to me, as I am operating under the current rules. If the business can deal with all the chatter to save a dollar on radios, then it shouldn't matter. I am just saying, I would run my business with my flaggers having radios that wouldn't have all that chatter and interference going on, as a matter of safety.
I assumed FRS was "Family Radio Service" and I understood the FCC wasn't issuing "new" business licenses, just letting paid up business licenses to continue with the same equipment (thereby phasing them out through expiration and equipment failures). I have seen some say Part 90 radios may be used under Part 95 even though they aren't FCC certified for such operation. But the Part 95 rulings state that ONLY radios certified under Part 95 may do so.
As far as I knew, PL filters out the audio by not opening the squelch, but the interfering signal is still there. But I could be misunderstanding that aspect also. My radio still sees the interference, as indicated by the "busy" indicator, even though I do not hear the transmission.
It doesn't really matter to me, as I am operating under the current rules. If the business can deal with all the chatter to save a dollar on radios, then it shouldn't matter. I am just saying, I would run my business with my flaggers having radios that wouldn't have all that chatter and interference going on, as a matter of safety.
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