City of Poughkeepsie Fire new EMS Channel

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The City of Poughkeepsie Fire Department will be adding an EMS Channel it will be 460.825. I do not have the ctcss tone yet, or a date as to when this will become active, but will post an update when I find out.
 

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Thanks for the update. I will add this to my feed when it becomes active.
 

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Heard in Poughkeepsie this afternoon - transmitter key-ups, test count. PL 136.5. No positive ID yet.
 

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I just entered it in my handheld and will report back if I hear anything.
 

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The license for NYCOMCO is probably the one you are looking for. It is not uncommon for NYCOMCO to obtain a license for frequencies under one Radio Service and use them completely differently in real life. Look through their many licenses and you will see several examples of frequencies licensed as trunked and used as conventional or vice versa. And they aren't the only ones A-1 Communications does it too.

Since NYCOMCO does the radio work for the City and the common PL of 136.5, it seems to fit.

I don't know the legality or reasons for doing it but it happens.

Hope this helps,
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Running a customers system under a commercial license in not a problem. Just find it rather odd that NYCOMCO would basically give up a FB8 to an agency to use as a FB2. FB8's are hard to get, I wouldn't give one up, but instead put the agency on it in trunked mode. Especially since NYCOMCO is in the process of building a large area network on UHF and in MOTOTRBO.
 

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New operations channel

This new channel will be referred to as "Operations Channel" and I suspect it will probably be used both as a fireground channel and also to communicate with incoming TransCare EMS units on the EMS runs. They ran a test last week where they requested all units to switch to the new opp's channel for roll call.... I will find out what the real deal is from some of my connections ....
 

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460.825

This is a current license WNUI 940 located on Illinois Mountain, in Highland, NY and is the only frequency llocated in the Poughkeepsie area and is New York Communications in Poughkeepsie
 

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I will find out what the real deal is from some of my connections ....
-75,

Please do. This isn't making any sense, esp. considering the recent channel shake-up they just went through a few months ago. Seven repeaters of their own aren't enough; they need to "borrow" one more from New York Communications?

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Just saw a memo from City of Poughkeepsie Fire to local Mutual Aid agencies..

Stated that due to FCC regulatory problems some changes need to be made to their system until the issues can be resolved. Only 453.6500 and 453.4875 can be used for repeaters at the present time. So until either new frequencies or licenses are acquired the following plan will be implemented.

1. 453.6500 will be Dispatch as in the past.
2. 453.4875 will be Ops 1 (Repeated) / Fireground 1 (Simplex)
** At the present time no Mutual Aid agencies have the 453.4875 frequency installed so for incidents involving mutual aid, Dutchess 911 Fireground 5/6 (453.0500) will be utilized.

No mention of 460.8250. Since this is licensed through NYCOMCO it shouldn't be affected.
 

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So, in light of this new memo, is this what their new channel line-up looks sort of like?

453.650R (136.5) Dispatch - primary repeater
453.650R (136.5) Dispatch - back-up repeater (different input tone)
453.650 (136.5) Dispatch direct

453.4875R (136.5) Operations 1 repeater
453.4875R (136.5) Operations 1 - back-up repeater
453.4875 (136.5) Fireground 1

458.5375 (136.5) Fireground 2
458.4875 (136.5) Fireground 3

453.050R (114.8) Mutual Aid operations (Dutchess County Fireground 5)
453.050 (114.8) Mutual Aid operations (Dutchess County Fireground 6)
460.825R (136.5) EMS Operations
453.900R (114.8)

453.750R (136.5) old Operations 1
453.750R (136.5) old Operations 1 - back-up repeater
453.750 (136.5) old Fireground 1

Have I missed anything?

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So, in light of this new memo, is this what their new channel line-up looks sort of like?

453.650R (136.5) Dispatch - primary repeater
453.650R (136.5) Dispatch - back-up repeater (different input tone)
453.650 (136.5) Dispatch direct

453.4875R (136.5) Operations 1 repeater
453.4875R (136.5) Operations 1 - back-up repeater
453.4875 (136.5) Fireground 1

458.5375 (136.5) Fireground 2
458.4875 (136.5) Fireground 3

453.050R (114.8) Mutual Aid operations (Dutchess County Fireground 5)
453.050 (114.8) Mutual Aid operations (Dutchess County Fireground 6)
460.825R (136.5) EMS Operations
453.900R (114.8)

453.750R (136.5) old Operations 1
453.750R (136.5) old Operations 1 - back-up repeater
453.750 (136.5) old Fireground 1

Have I missed anything?

SCANdal
SCANdal,

That looks right to me.

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Ok so let me get this right..They dumped 453.750?
According to the recent memo.. yes. They were never licensed for a repeater on 453.7500 and caused interference with New Hamburg FD who is licensed for a repeater on that frequency (using CTCSS 114.8).

PFD and NHFD peacefully coexisted on 453.7500 for several years but recently PFD has increased the usage of that particular frequency and I would imagine that is what is driving the "licensing issues" stated in the memo.
 
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So, in light of this new memo, is this what their new channel line-up looks sort of like?

453.4875R (136.5) Operations 1 repeater
453.4875R (136.5) Operations 1 - back-up repeater
453.4875 (136.5) Fireground 1

458.4875 (136.5) Fireground 3
Something isn't right. Fireground 3 would be on the input to the Ops 1 repeater.
 

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Something isn't right. Fireground 3 would be on the input to the Ops 1 repeater.
Your guess is as good as mine. PFD has provided no information about the 453/458.4375 frequency pair other than channel names. I would assume different PL on repeater input but that is pure speculation. We will just have to play it by ear (or scanner!)

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That would be a very bad idea. Different users with different PL will not hear each other, but they will still interfere with each other. Having two different local uses of a repeater input channel would render the repeater useless. Even if the repeater doesn't pass the additional PL, it will still hear the signals and, if they are stronger than signals with the correct input PL, they will block them.
 

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Dave,

I noticed that myself but never thought anything wrong of it, until now...here's why:

The use of simplex for fireground communications, barring any unusual situations like a high-rise building or multi-acre brush fire, is a "must." Yet Operations Centers and dispatch centers want to know what's going on in real time on a fireground - not wanting to wait for a progress report from the IC. One way that I've seen this accomplished by a number of suburban departments around the NY Metro area is to have everyone on the fireground operate on simplex - on a repeater input. This way fireground comms could be recorded back at OCs and dispatchers could continue to "buff" the job. The firefighters don't know the difference...they are still talking, on direct, from the hydrant to the pump panel, from the roof to the attic, etc., etc., etc., just like on a normal fireground channel, but the repeater is keyed every time - passing the traffic from the scene. When I saw the original channel plan, I just figured that was an additional option made available. But when you pointed out the input PL conflict between the primary and back-up repeaters.....hmmmm.

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