Civilian Illegally Broadcasting on San Mateo County Fire Control 2

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PCTEK

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Well, just when the guy that was transmitting on the Burlingame/San Mateo Police primary frequencies, was caught, either he or somebody new is broadcasting an open carrier on the San Mateo County Fire Control 2 frequency. The broadcast usually last less than 60 seconds at a time (not due to a time-out timer) and is usually the person tapping on the microphone. Last night however, the transmission lasted longer and you could hear two men and a female voice but due to the poor signal strength (it sounds like radio is a handheld), you can't quite make out what is being said. After almost 30 minutes of keying the repeater, a dispatcher working the control 2 channel read a written statement that told the person that they were violating various laws (she gave several FCC and civil code section numbers) and they were impeding the city’s ability to serve the community. She then requested the person to please stop transmitting. Unfortunately… As she read the first couple of sentences, she mispronounced a word and began laughing. She stopped and restarted her warning 3 times. The response from the violator... they just kept keying up.

The action of this person only servers to push cities to upgrade to trunked or digital systems where they can simply "brick" the illegal radio, but it also hurts law abiding scanner enthusiast because if a city is going to spend the money to upgrade their system, they will likely look to encryption which means the investment we all have in our scanners, not to mention the interesting things we hear, will be worth quite a bit less.

I've noticed that most of the open radio traffic by the city of Burlingame, Hillsborough, San Mateo and other local Police agencies are simply traffic stops or in progress emergencies. The major amount of what we all used to listen to is now sent to their MDT's.

Since this is not an isolated occurrence, and certainly not limited to the City and County of San Mateo, I wonder what legal action will start to be considered towards web sites that provide the in/out frequencies and PL/DPL codes etc. like our very own RR and even the FCC data bases. While it is a fun hobby to listen to what is on the public airwaves, we don’t have a constitutional right to have the frequency information. The argument can be made that if the frequency information wasn’t available to the public, illegally programmed radios would be far less intrusive.

If the person that is transmitting on the San Mateo County Fire Control 2 frequency reads the forums here on RR, I ask you to stop your interference.
 
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the frequencies are readily available on the FCC site, and modern scanners make it easy to find the PL/DPL. in my experience many times this is a disgruntled fireman, i hate to say that but it happens a lot. and usually with an issued radio. when one local county here went trunked the SO and county Fire both saw a drastic drop in taps/car radios/etc tieing up channels. after the first person did it and was reprimanded by name over the air, everyone else quit.

if the person doing this keeps it up, a formal complaint to the FCC by the license hodler will get him found. and he/she won't like the result either.
 

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This might not be intentional. I've encountered a few folks keying up on goverment frequencies by accident when I work in city government. This maybe a case of misprogrammed radios.
 

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Also RR.com does not publish input tones in the database as a matter of policy.
 

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Why is it that dispatchers (maybe because they are told they have to) announce to people that they have an inadvertant (or purposeful) "open mic?" When you are transmitting, you are the only unit that cannot hear the notification that there is an open mic... Everyone else who has been listening to you talk when you don't know the mic button is depressed can hear the dispatcher, but the one who is causing the problem can't. I always wonder why the dispatcher, when the open mic is released, doesn't say something like "To the crew that was talking about the movie you saw last night, your microphone was inadvertantly pressed...please verify your mic is secure" or something like that. That way, the person will actually know it was them...

Just a rambling thought...
 

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Because many times a unit (especially a FF) is not out by himself. Other units with radios are nearby.
 
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i dont think the sites(rad-ref and others) are to be pointed to,tones have been around
for a long time,long before the RR-DB..its not rocket science to figure out the in-outputs..

seems to be just another scumbag..with a few bucks to buy some cool toys..

wrap some smith n wessuns round their wrists and hit em where it hurts!....

the Bank Account!! Go Get Em FCC!
 

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i dont think the sites(rad-ref and others) are to be pointed to,tones have been around
for a long time,long before the RR-DB..its not rocket science to figure out the in-outputs..

seems to be just another scumbag..with a few bucks to buy some cool toys..

Agreed. Most radios that I've run across have a "tone scan" feature...if you're close enough to hear somebody who's on the input, the radio will tell you what tone goes along with it.
 

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As mentioned above, how does anyone know this is a citizen who isn't supposed to have a radio?
 

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As mentioned above, how does anyone know this is a citizen who isn't supposed to have a radio?

Well, you do raise a valid point...I've run into plenty of innocent "open mic" situations throughout life, and the tapping noise mentioned may simply be due to normal motion.

It's good to be reminded not to read too much into this. From where I sit, there are at least three legitimate situations that would account for this.

In short, good call!
 

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Why is it that dispatchers (maybe because they are told they have to) announce to people that they have an inadvertant (or purposeful) "open mic?" When you are transmitting, you are the only unit that cannot hear the notification that there is an open mic... Everyone else who has been listening to you talk when you don't know the mic button is depressed can hear the dispatcher, but the one who is causing the problem can't. I always wonder why the dispatcher, when the open mic is released, doesn't say something like "To the crew that was talking about the movie you saw last night, your microphone was inadvertantly pressed...please verify your mic is secure" or something like that. That way, the person will actually know it was them...

Just a rambling thought...

in the case of analog systems you are 100% correct, but if the system is digital most have the ability to do a "tx interrupt" which actually allows them to force the keyed radio to recieve the broadcast. of course they should know what radio it is by the ID too, so should it not work they can manually find the guy if he is a legit user.
 

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It's time for a fox hunt. Track this moron down and smash his radio to smithereens...
 

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I mean, isn't there a distinct possibility these could be firefighters? Hell, I know for a fact SF and Santa Clara counties have the ability to transmit on SMC freqs. Couple that with all the SMC firefighters, it could be anybody.
And on the topic of open mics, I heard a HILARIOUS open mic on SMC law enforcement TAC 2 in the middle of the night a few nights ago-it was a Burlingame dispatcher having a long 4 minute conversation with an officer laughing hilariously, telling jokes, and finally after that whole time of the county dispatchers trying to cut in, she stopped talking and answered "Burlingame Pd"-and immediately said an oops and unkeyed. Hilarious
 

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I can attest to the fact that there were plenty of times during the years that I used to monitor the SMC County Fire channels that the firefighters themselves had unintentional stuck mics, so I think a rant here (as well as on the air by Central Dispatch) about it being some naughty civilian radio-geek is rather premature.

Also, I don't know what it is about Burlingame PD dispatch, but they in particular have a long-record of stuck mics on channel 1 as well as channel 2. Seems like it is usually a command officer that tries to notify them about it right away, especially if the background audio is 'juicy' or 'politically-incorrect.' The younger guys enjoy hearing it, but the command-staff is worried about liability or feuding due to the wrong person hearing something 'inappropriate.'
 

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Tracking down the signal

Years ago, we used to make a game of tracking each other's CB's down using a loop antenna.

Exciting, you bet.

I'm surprised they don't do something similar, it was easy and these were 3 or 4 watt signals at the most.
 
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