Closed repeater and station id

[W8UU]

The compromise on CW ID is to program the Morse Code ID to activate *after* the repeater is keyed. You'll get a CW ID within a few seconds then again at 15 minutes. Then no CW ID until someone uses the repeater again, and only once every 15 minutes (or whatever interval is programmed) while the repeater is in use. No mindless 3 o'clock in the morning IDs with no activity on the channel. When someone uses your repeater, a Morse Code ID is discreetly inserted to satisfy FCC requirements. Otherwise, nothing.

 

[prcguy]

Most commercial and amateur repeaters operate like this. No activity for hours, no automatic ID until someone keys up. If a repeater auto IDs every 10min no matter what, its a stupid repeater.

The compromise on CW ID is to program the Morse Code ID to activate *after* the repeater is keyed. You'll get a CW ID within a few seconds then again at 15 minutes. Then no CW ID until someone uses the repeater again, and only once every 15 minutes (or whatever interval is programmed) while the repeater is in use. No mindless 3 o'clock in the morning IDs with no activity on the channel. When someone uses your repeater, a Morse Code ID is discreetly inserted to satisfy FCC requirements. Otherwise, nothing.

 

[Peter_SD911]

Most commercial and amateur repeaters operate like this. No activity for hours, no automatic ID until someone keys up. If a repeater auto IDs every 10min no matter what, its a stupid repeater.

What I find appalling is those people that impersonate the CW-ID and INSTEAD transmit profanity or political statements via the morse code ID. All they do is use one of those text to morse converters, and they then start peppering the local channels with all kinds of dot and dashes full of terrible things about Cher or Alec Baldwin or other dead celebs. I often hear this on that renegade 675 Mt. Otay cross border repeater near the dusty Mexican border town of Tijuana.

Has all civility gone out the window?
Where are the goverment monitors that protect us good citizens from these radio delinquents?

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[prcguy]

What did Cher ever do, besides parking her big Yellow Rolls Royce in the fire lane at the front door of the hardware store in Malibu Colony?
Political statements? You must have heard one of my amateur repeaters awhile back when I added MAGA at the end of the callsign for a month or two. Most people thought it was quite amusing.

What I find appalling is those people that impersonate the CW-ID and INSTEAD transmit profanity or political statements via the morse code ID. All they do is use one of those text to morse converters, and they then start peppering the local channels with all kinds of dot and dashes full of terrible things about Cher or Alec Baldwin or other dead celebs. I often hear this on that renegade 675 Mt. Otay cross border repeater near the dusty Mexican border town of Tijuana.

Has all civility gone out the window?
Where are the goverment monitors that protect us good citizens from these radio delinquents?

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[therealjlh]

That is a merely a matter of interpretation, Points 1 and 2 speak to intent of the repeaters owner/operator.

if the repeater does not identify that merely means the end users are by rule to do so.
if the repeater transmits ID and the end users do not identify then it is assumed that they are operating the radios under the license of the repeaters owner.

It should also be apparent that if the repeater identify's and the end user does not and for some reason they violate the rules set forth by part 95. then that means the identified party is held liable for any fee's levied by the FCC caused by abuse or otherwise.

However if the end users Identify as required by 95.1751 then FCC does not hold the repeaters owner liable for any abuse so long as a best effort is made to prevent it.

Paragraph C is there as a legal tool to release the said owner/operator from any liability or to establish said liability in court.

Oh really. Then why is this in Part 95E? Note paragragh (c) where it gives the conditions (and, not or) when a GMRS repeater does NOT need to ID. In other words, if the repeater doesn't meet (1) and (2), then it DOES have to ID.

§ 95.1751 GMRS station identification.

Each GMRS station must be identified by transmission of its FCC-assigned call sign at the end of transmissions and at periodic intervals during transmissions except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section. A unit number may be included after the call sign in the identification.


(a) The GMRS station call sign must be transmitted:

(1) Following a single transmission or a series of transmissions; and,
(2) After 15 minutes and at least once every 15 minutes thereafter during a series of transmissions lasting more than 15 minutes.

(b) The call sign must be transmitted using voice in the English language or international Morse code telegraphy using an audible tone.

(c) Any GMRS repeater station is not required to transmit station identification if:

(1) It retransmits only communications from GMRS stations operating under authority of the individual license under which it operates; and,
(2) The GMRS stations whose communications are retransmitted are properly identified in accordance with this section.