CN police and Alberta RCMP radio

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just to let every one know. CN Police seem to have access to Alberta RCMP on there radios. this morning I heard CN police call Leduc RCMP on A5 to report and DUI that he was following. I was surprised to hear CN police. I that I dreamed it as it was 0200.
 

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just to let every one know. CN Police seem to have access to Alberta RCMP on there radios. this morning I heard CN police call Leduc RCMP on A5 to report and DUI that he was following. I was surprised to hear CN police. I that I dreamed it as it was 0200.
CN police all so heard using the EPS Edacs system on portable doing railroad crossing gate enforcement in South Edmonton.
 

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PACS Access

yes it seams that there are more and more that are accessing the PACS system in Alberta, in my working travels around the Peace area many law enforcement agencies have been granted access and I see that there are even some EMS station also given permission to contact members on PAC channels, mostly seeing it is for safety reasons and interoperability. Just wait thill the AFRRCS is fully online then all services can contact any other service that is on the system.... meaning that Police, Fire, EMS, Forestry, etc can all talk to each other, could be a good thing but could also be busy. That would mean that if I have my radio and Im in Edmonton and someone wants to contact me they can just switch over to my NAC or ID anywhere in Alberta system and key-up and call me, sweet
 

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Makes sense the Lac Ste. Anne Fire department was recently given access to PACS. The County Patrol has been on for some time. We may see more Fire in the future.

VE6BRW have a look at the Saskatchewan system thread and the article on repeater drag which happens when a number of units meet in a location for a fire seminar and tie up the resource. They didn't say exactly say how to avoid it rather than staying off your talk group. I guess they want everyone to switch to one Tac and let your department know which one you are on.
 
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Many/most multi-site trunk systems behave that way. The term is a bit of a misnomer but to someone who is new to trunk systems it describes the concept adequately. Simply put, if radio 12345 logs in to the system, and is tuned to talkgroup 56789, the system is instructed to provide resources for that talkgroup to the tower that 12345 has affiliated to. That uses up a voice channel whenever that talkgroup is active, of course, and whatever linking pathway is necessary to bring the audio from the originating tower to the tower 12345 is on. If you have 30 agencies with their own different talkgroups and all their members in different parts of the province "dragging" their voice traffic across the backbone, you have a potential to saturate it with unnecessary traffic.

There's no real way to avoid the phenomenon other than, as you say, staying off the channel for area X when you are in area Y (or even area B). Or spending gobs of extra cash to make the backbone massive and have the max numbers of frequencies (32?) on each tower site, again, costing lots of money for hardware.

As for non-RCMP users on PACS, it is indeed more prevalent in the past few years. It only makes sense to have agencies able to talk to one another. I listened to an incident this afternoon where the fire/rescue crews were going out to search for/rescue someone and the RCMP had been notified, but weren't able to/didn't communicate with the fire crews. Everything had to be relayed back through dispatch centers.

You don't need AFRRCS to make that happen, either. Letters of agreement between the responder agencies to use common channels are more than sufficient. Having said that, though, AFRRCS had better have a bunch of "Interop" or "Common Events" (as the folks on the coast put it) channels set aside when they lay out the talkgroup structure.
 

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It's very simple to avoid the problem. You restrict the talkgroup to only the towers that need it.

The Ontario Fleetnet Motorola Smartzone system does this and so does the Metrolinx P25 system.

A unit travelling out of their area will be "bonked" when the radio tries to affiliate to a talkgroup not allowed on the site.

They must switch to a local talkgroup or a wide area talkgroup that is allowed on a wider area of sites.

For example, an ambulance on a patient transfer out of the area would switch from their local channel (after advising the dispatcher) to a wide area common channel where they could reach any dispatch centre.

A local site tied up by dozens of radios on different far away talkgroups is just poor system planning.
 

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Generally not.

If there's a big incident going on that somebody distant needs to hear, move it over to a TAC channel setup for wide area coverage or patch the Ops channel to a wide area channel. Responding units coming from a distance can listen in.

I'm sure anybody important who really needs to be in touch will have a pager or cellphone with them.

Needlessly wasting channel resources either drives up the cost of every site or busies out the site so people with a real emergency can't get through.
 

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And of course there's never any reason to use a talkgroup out of its home area. Ever.

Oh wait a minute.

Why would an ambulance from say Windsor, need to stay on their own TG if they do a transfer to Toronto? Or an OPP car from Orillia travelling to London. Like Mike said, it's a complete waste of resources. If there really was a need for something like what I mentioned above, the dispatcher would just patch the local group with a wide area group and nobody would be the wiser.
 
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