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Most ( if not all ) receivers ( scanners ) antenna input is 50 ohm ( READ YOUR SPEC. ) and i notice that a lot of people use RG 6 or tv cable, all 75 ohm impedance, causing a mismatch and a loss of +/- 15 @ 25 % reception
Use RG 58 cable (or any 50 ohm cable)
You will ear the difference

Gilles VE2ZTT
 

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Most ( if not all ) receivers ( scanners ) antenna input is 50 ohm ( READ YOUR SPEC. ) and i notice that a lot of people use RG 6 or tv cable, all 75 ohm impedance, causing a mismatch and a loss of +/- 15 @ 25 % reception
Use RG 58 cable (or any 50 ohm cable)
You will ear the difference

Gilles VE2ZTT
RG 58 would be one of your worst choices.

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Even though the specs say 50ohms, as soon as you start recieving frequencies that are out of the tuned frequency of your antenna there is a mismatch anyway and the theoretical impedance match goes out the window. If you are using a "multiband" antenna the impedance match means even less.

I have hooked up a specific antenna with identical lenghts of RG58 and RG6 and can "ear" the difference. Over a broad range of frequencies the RG6 performs better. Better still would be a lower loss cable like LMR400. Especially when you get into the 800mhz range, the loss on RG58 will far outweigh any impedance match.
 

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I have hooked up a specific antenna with identical lenghts of RG58 and RG6 and can "ear" the difference. .

I should be alright if I hook up RG6 to my pro-95 (800mhz) with a BNC? I am not to worried about ohm impedance. As long as I can "ear" the dispatcher and FD/PD/EMS. It would just be in the car for an antenna.
 
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As I posted in another thread, and has been posted here numerous times, RG-6 is fine for scanning applications.
 

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Gilles's point is well taken: when you're running an impedence mismatch, you are going to lose some signal. For some people, even a small gain is enough to pull out a signal where before they heard nothing but static. If you're trying to DX, then every dB you can get is important.

Even where I am, where mountains block 3 sides, I can get a marginal signal off of a couple of repeaters; a stronger, higher antenna with a better cable would bring out the signal just a little more. I'm going to take care of that soon.... a nice Diamond dual-band antenna on a 30' pole will do the trick; the only catch is that I have to run a longer feedline to get it at least 30' away from the corner of my house where the power lines come in.

The thing is, not everyone goes for DX or weak-signal work. The beautiful thing about repeater operation is that much of what I work can be worked with an HT on half-power. So if you're not working long distance stations, then you can use just about anything and get a signal... but don't be fooled in to thinking that RG6 is going to be better than using the right cable for the job. RG6 is great for TV, satellite, and FM radio, but it's not so good for scanners and 2-way radio.

I have hooked up a specific antenna with identical lenghts of RG58 and RG6 and can "ear" the difference. Over a broad range of frequencies the RG6 performs better. Better still would be a lower loss cable like LMR400. Especially when you get into the 800mhz range, the loss on RG58 will far outweigh any impedance match.

Did you try a length of RG-8? That's thicker stuff, and it ought to be a lot less lossy - especially on UHF.

As I posted in another thread, and has been posted here numerous times, RG-6 is fine for scanning applications.
Ahh, but is it ideal? :)
 
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As I posted in another thread, and has been posted here numerous times, RG-6 is fine for scanning applications.
Ahh, but is it ideal? :)
Sure not ideal, but since you can get it often for 10% of what RG8 or LMR400 costs it is a reasonable comprimise for many folks and a darn step better than RG58.
I have hooked up a specific antenna with identical lenghts of RG58 and RG6 and can "ear" the difference. Over a broad range of frequencies the RG6 performs better. Better still would be a lower loss cable like LMR400. Especially when you get into the 800mhz range, the loss on RG58 will far outweigh any impedance match.


Did you try a length of RG-8? That's thicker stuff, and it ought to be a lot less lossy - especially on UHF.
Better loss numbers than RG6 but very hard to work with going around corners and hooking up to scanners. you need a fancy setup to keep from tipping over or damaging your scanner or use a short adapter which re-introduces a lot of the impedance back in. The trouble with Gilles' suggestion of "RG58 or any 50 ohm cable" is RG58 is one of the worst choices, especially for UHF and higher and many 50ohm cables could be even worse.
 

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I just measured a scanner antenna input on an HP 8722ES vector network analyzer. It ain't anywhere near 50 ohms on ANY frequency. For receiver purposes, the problem has been grossly over stated. Your ear WON'T hear the difference.

For what it's worth, low noise preamps designed for best weak signal operation can be horrible matches to 50 ohm lines. The tuning match for best noise figure is not the same one for best gain, or best 50 ohm match.
 

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I agree. I have always found that using a low-loss cable is by far more critical than a slight impedance mismatch when it comes to receiving. However, if you are also transmitting, then cable impedance is something that you should pay attention to.

I just measured a scanner antenna input on an HP 8722ES vector network analyzer. It ain't anywhere near 50 ohms on ANY frequency. For receiver purposes, the problem has been grossly over stated. Your ear WON'T hear the difference.

For what it's worth, low noise preamps designed for best weak signal operation can be horrible matches to 50 ohm lines. The tuning match for best noise figure is not the same one for best gain, or best 50 ohm match.
 

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However, if you are also transmitting, then cable impedance is something that you should pay attention to.

Yep. And back in the day of tunable HF transmitters, you could actually run an antenna system like a dipole at a lower VSWR with 75 ohm coax than you could with 50 ohm coax.
 
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