Copy of legacy license?

dgoodson

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Is there a way, perhaps online via the FCC database, to get a history of my Ham license back to its original issue date?

I was originally licensed (with my current callsign) into the Technician class in about 1976 and that license as remained in effect uninterrupted. Online, I can "see" my current license, and I can stumble my way back through the site to see it was renewed as far back as 2009, but I can't find any record of my license prior to 2009. Gotta believe its out there somewhere...

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Based on the fact that people rarely seek this kind of information, I'm gonna guess that it's archived way, way back in a salt mine in Hutchinson, Kansas, if, in fact, it's available at all.
 

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You don't say why you want this information. However, this came up when a friend of mine who was licensed as a Technician in the early 1950's wanted to upgrade to General which he was entitled to do. He, of course, did not have a record of his license that far back, but was able find an old Call Book on line that showed he was licensed in the '50's. He got a VEC group to file the paperwork and has received his General. He always wanted to get on HF and now he is.
 

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Around 2001 the FCC converted all the paper licenses from their old system (that were valid at the time) to the ULS. I don't know the exact start and end dates.
 

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You don't say why you want this information. However, this came up when a friend of mine who was licensed as a Technician in the early 1950's wanted to upgrade to General which he was entitled to do. He, of course, did not have a record of his license that far back, but was able find an old Call Book on line that showed he was licensed in the '50's. He got a VEC group to file the paperwork and has received his General. He always wanted to get on HF and now he is.
Well--- that is EXACTLY why I was seeking the license. I also did some poking around and found the online Callbooks (Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine) which hopefully will do the trick!
 

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Well--- that is EXACTLY why I was seeking the license. I also did some poking around and found the online Callbooks (Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine) which hopefully will do the trick!
You may find this info from ARRL luseful for acceptable verification of license:
Exam Element Credit

For General written exam (Element 3) credit, persons who took a 50-question Technician/General written exam before March 21, 1987 receive Technician grandfather license credit per FCC Rules.

This can be verified if an applicant presents any of the following:

-- Per FCC Rule 97.505(a)(4)s, a FCC Technician license issued before March 21, 1987, as indicated on the license.

-- An original Element 3 Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued before March 21, 1987.

-- If licensed in the mid-'70s or after, FCC will issue a 'License Verification Letter' indicating that the applicant was licensed as a Technician licensee prior to March 21, 1987. The FCC stated any requests for verification must be submitted in writing to: FCC, ATTN: Amateur Section, 1270 Fairfield Rd, Gettysburg, PA 17325. The request must include name, address, telephone number, date of birth, call sign issued at that time, and when the Technician license was granted (if exact date is not known, give the approximate time frame). The FCC asks those inquiring to include any information that may be helpful in researching these requests, but it does not need to know details of the examination session, such as where the test was administered or who gave it. "These requests must be researched on microfiche, so they will be very time-consuming," an FCC spokesperson said, adding that no one should expect an overnight response.

-- For 1966 or more recent records, the FCC's research retrieval service contractor, Best Copy & Printing, Inc. (BCPI), will obtain the pre-1987 technician certification from FCC records. There is a charge for this service. For assistance in purchasing copies of FCC documents, please contact BCPI directly. Phone: 202-488-5300 or 1-800-378-3160. TTY: 202-488-5562. Fax: 202-488-5563. Email: fcc@bcpiweb.com. Web: FCC BCPI | Research Service Pricing.

-- A 1987 Edition, or earlier, Radio Amateur Callbook listing is acceptable as proof provided the 'T' (Technician) license class appears on the page next to the call sign listing. Only Callbooks issued Fall 1967 or later will show the license class. Be sure to copy the year of publication reference, if not printed on the page.
Visit Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine for an archive of old Callbooks. The books are searchable PDFs.

-- QRZ.COM has posted on their website a copy of their very first Amateur Radio CD ROM product as originally published in 1993. This searchable database contains license records from 1983 to 1993. A printout of such a listing from the CD ROM or the web page, showing a Technician license effective or begin date prior to 3/21/87 is acceptable.
 

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You may find this info from ARRL luseful for acceptable verification of license:
Exam Element Credit

For General written exam (Element 3) credit, persons who took a 50-question Technician/General written exam before March 21, 1987 receive Technician grandfather license credit per FCC Rules.

This can be verified if an applicant presents any of the following:

-- Per FCC Rule 97.505(a)(4)s, a FCC Technician license issued before March 21, 1987, as indicated on the license.

-- An original Element 3 Certificate of Successful Completion of Examination (CSCE) issued before March 21, 1987.

-- If licensed in the mid-'70s or after, FCC will issue a 'License Verification Letter' indicating that the applicant was licensed as a Technician licensee prior to March 21, 1987. The FCC stated any requests for verification must be submitted in writing to: FCC, ATTN: Amateur Section, 1270 Fairfield Rd, Gettysburg, PA 17325. The request must include name, address, telephone number, date of birth, call sign issued at that time, and when the Technician license was granted (if exact date is not known, give the approximate time frame). The FCC asks those inquiring to include any information that may be helpful in researching these requests, but it does not need to know details of the examination session, such as where the test was administered or who gave it. "These requests must be researched on microfiche, so they will be very time-consuming," an FCC spokesperson said, adding that no one should expect an overnight response.

-- For 1966 or more recent records, the FCC's research retrieval service contractor, Best Copy & Printing, Inc. (BCPI), will obtain the pre-1987 technician certification from FCC records. There is a charge for this service. For assistance in purchasing copies of FCC documents, please contact BCPI directly. Phone: 202-488-5300 or 1-800-378-3160. TTY: 202-488-5562. Fax: 202-488-5563. Email: fcc@bcpiweb.com. Web: FCC BCPI | Research Service Pricing.

-- A 1987 Edition, or earlier, Radio Amateur Callbook listing is acceptable as proof provided the 'T' (Technician) license class appears on the page next to the call sign listing. Only Callbooks issued Fall 1967 or later will show the license class. Be sure to copy the year of publication reference, if not printed on the page.
Visit Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free & Borrowable Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine for an archive of old Callbooks. The books are searchable PDFs.

-- QRZ.COM has posted on their website a copy of their very first Amateur Radio CD ROM product as originally published in 1993. This searchable database contains license records from 1983 to 1993. A printout of such a listing from the CD ROM or the web page, showing a Technician license effective or begin date prior to 3/21/87 is acceptable.
Thank you, that specific citation is very helpful. I think I am all set...
 

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I submitted an online "Help Request" to the FCC to inquire about the original issue of my license, and here is the request and email response I received in one business day:

Mr original request:
"Description: I am seeking official confirmation of my original amateur radio license KA4xxx (class and original issue date) from about 1976. My FRN is 000xxxxxxx.

I specifically need official evidence (hardcopy or electronic) that I was licensed at the Technician class prior to March 21, 1987."


The response I received:
"Please be advised that we were able to verify that call sign KA4xxx was assigned to you in 1998. Unfortunately the Universal Licensing System only goes back so far. We would recommend reaching out to the national archives and requesting a copy. You would be able to visit the national archives site at National Archives."

For elaboration, their date of 1998 matches the oldest date in the publicly available online ULS, so that did not provide me any new, useful info. I would be curious how easy it would be to get a copy of the license from the National Archives... maybe I'll pursue that on a rainy day, but its certainly not a priority to me.
 

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