D130NJ Verticle element

scanman1958

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On the Diamond Super Discone D130NJ is the verticle element on top interchangeable? Example...if I want a VHF hi specific or 700/800 specific antenna on top of this discone can I do it? Are there NMO threads there to use? Or something else? Thanks.
 

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You have to isolate the element from the discones operation, and the discone works from 90MHz to 1300MHz so only possible by using a bottom coil that goes high impedance above 90MHz to not have any impact on the discone. At lower frequencies the discone stops working as such due to its dimensions and only acts as a groundplane for the vertical.

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So am I reading that a NMO mount 700/800 specific antenna would not work at all? The antenna is about 12 inches high with a center spring like looking coil in the middle. Did that make sense? ???
 

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The signal from the discone that ends up at the coax conector are delayed more than the signal from a vertical element on top of it, something like 1/8 to 1/4 wave out of phase. With a vertical that has a coil in the middle, that are a phase twisting coil usually for a 1/2 wave top part to phase match to a 1/4 wave bottom part, will create havoc to direction patterns and gain if allowed to operate in the same frequency range as the discone.

But as the discone in itself have a skewed direction pattern above 600MHz, that could make it loose 10dB-20dB of signal, it might actually improve signal strength with that collinear vertical element but will also have a negative impact at lower frequencies. It will be impossible to predict how it will perform. So as usual with antennas, experimenting and practical tests are the way to go.

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So am I reading that a NMO mount 700/800 specific antenna would not work at all? The antenna is about 12 inches high with a center spring like looking coil in the middle. Did that make sense? ???
If all you need is 700/800 then why buy the Diamond discone to begin with... or am I missing something..?
 
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