DC Power For Pro 96 or 95

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I am trying to eliminate as many wall warts as I can. I have a West Mountain RigRunner using Anderson Power Poles hooked up to a Astron RS20A power supply. Is there any way I can power my Pro 96 and 95 using this set up? The AC power cord I got when I bought the Pro 95, also works for the 96, is rated at 9 volts 300ma. Right now I have my Uniden BC 780 XLT and my Icom IC-W32A running off the RigRunner. I will be hooking up the Icom R-75 and the Stridsberg multi coupler to it also. Thanks for any comments.
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This is kinda a tough question. Unless you are familier with the circuitry of the scanner but I will try to answer it.

You can only use a power supply 12v or 9v and >300ma to power the scanner. The current drain of the scanner when powered up is less than 300ma. Charging the batteries in the scanner maybe another story. To be on the safe side use the 9v 300ma power supply to charge the batteries. You may be able to use the 12vdc in your car to charge your batteries but I am unsure of this.

There must be some circuitry inside the scanner to knock down the 12vdc to probably 5vdc or so. This same circuitry also knocks down the 9vdc to a usable 5vdc or so. In any event when powering the scanner
with either 12vdc or 9vdc the current drain is always going to be less then
300ma. Becauese the current drain of the scanner is less then 300ma.

John.
 
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smokeyspapa said:
I am trying to eliminate as many wall warts as I can. I have a West Mountain RigRunner using Anderson Power Poles hooked up to a Astron RS20A power supply. Is there any way I can power my Pro 96 and 95 using this set up? The AC power cord I got when I bought the Pro 95, also works for the 96, is rated at 9 volts 300ma. Right now I have my Uniden BC 780 XLT and my Icom IC-W32A running off the RigRunner. I will be hooking up the Icom R-75 and the Stridsberg multi coupler to it also. Thanks for any comments.
Gary

If the radio does not say it can take 12V, do not put 12 V strait in.

If there is a "Car Cord" for it, get one and see if it has a regulator or is strait through 12V.
 

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LISTEN to N_Jay!

12 volts will most likely damage the PRO-95. Even if the scanner appears to operate on a 12v adapter (which I would not even experiment with), it will undoubtedly cook the batteries in a short time because of the simplistic charging circuit in the scanner.

The car adapter for the 95 has a 9V voltage regulator inside. It's not just a straight-through cord.
 

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N,Jay may be right. There may be a regulator in the 12vdc car adaptor plug to regulate the power to 9vdc. I just checked my Pro-96
and it says PWR 9v DC. So use 9vdc only.
 

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PhilJSmith67 said:
LISTEN to N_Jay!

12 volts will most likely damage the PRO-95. Even if the scanner appears to operate on a 12v adapter (which I would not even experiment with), it will undoubtedly cook the batteries in a short time because of the simplistic charging circuit in the scanner.

The car adapter for the 95 has a 9V voltage regulator inside. It's not just a straight-through cord.

Are you sure about the car adaptor plug. Thats the only thing that stumped me answering the question.
 
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This is kinda a tough question. Unless you are familier with the circuitry of the scanner but I will try to answer it.

You can only use a power supply 12v or 9v and >300ma to power the scanner. The current drain of the scanner when powered up is less than 300ma. Charging the batteries in the scanner maybe another story. To be on the safe side use the 9v 300ma power supply to charge the batteries. You may be able to use the 12vdc in your car to charge your batteries but I am unsure of this.

There must be some circuitry inside the scanner to knock down the 12vdc to probably 5vdc or so. This same circuitry also knocks down the 9vdc to a usable 5vdc or so. In any event when powering the scanner
with either 12vdc or 9vdc the current drain is always going to be less then
300ma. Becauese the current drain of the scanner is less then 300ma.

John.

Running 12Volts into a device that is meant for 9V is a wonderful way to damage or destroy your radio. Believe me, I have done this by mistake in the past and it is not pretty. Not with the 95 or 96, but with an older radio I had.

Even IF there is some internal circuitry that would allow the 12v to work, do you really want to risk frying your radio to find out? If it calls for 9 volts, use 9 volts.

What I would do is go buy one of those mountable cigarette lighter outlets and mount it under or on your desk. Wire it directly to your power supply for 12v. Then, just buy a cigarette lighter adapter that will knock the voltage down to 9v. Radio Shack sells 9v cigarette lighter plugs or probably just about any electronics store.

That way if you ever want to power something that is 12v, you already have the capability there.

Also, make sure your have your polarity set correctly.

Jeff
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Here is my solution..... Pretty much what Diskmonger is talking about..

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I used to build regulator circuits from the LM-305 Voltage Regulator chip.
All it took was 2 resistors and two capacitors.

I see the chip is now discontinued.

Anyone know a good simple VR chip?

EDIT

Looks like the LM-117 is just the ticket.

P.S. Always put a good quality tantalum capacitor on the output.
A fair substitute is an electrolytic with a ceramic in parallel.
 

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diskmonger said:
JMedley_1 said:
This is kinda a tough question. Unless you are familier with the circuitry of the scanner but I will try to answer it.

You can only use a power supply 12v or 9v and >300ma to power the scanner. The current drain of the scanner when powered up is less than 300ma. Charging the batteries in the scanner maybe another story. To be on the safe side use the 9v 300ma power supply to charge the batteries. You may be able to use the 12vdc in your car to charge your batteries but I am unsure of this.

There must be some circuitry inside the scanner to knock down the 12vdc to probably 5vdc or so. This same circuitry also knocks down the 9vdc to a usable 5vdc or so. In any event when powering the scanner
with either 12vdc or 9vdc the current drain is always going to be less then
300ma. Becauese the current drain of the scanner is less then 300ma.

John.

Running 12Volts into a device that is meant for 9V is a wonderful way to damage or destroy your radio. Believe me, I have done this by mistake in the past and it is not pretty. Not with the 95 or 96, but with an older radio I had.

Even IF there is some internal circuitry that would allow the 12v to work, do you really want to risk frying your radio to find out? If it calls for 9 volts, use 9 volts.

What I would do is go buy one of those mountable cigarette lighter outlets and mount it under or on your desk. Wire it directly to your power supply for 12v. Then, just buy a cigarette lighter adapter that will knock the voltage down to 9v. Radio Shack sells 9v cigarette lighter plugs or probably just about any electronics store.

That way if you ever want to power something that is 12v, you already have the capability there.

Also, make sure your have your polarity set correctly.

Jeff
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Hey diskmonger, I was unaware that there was a 9v regulator
in the lighter adaptor. Also most Uniden's use 12Vdc. So don't use your Uniden Lighter adaptor to power a Pro-95 or Pro-96, and yes if there is
circuitry in the scanner that will allow you to use 12vdc it would be fine to use it. Some scanners/recievers work off of 10vdc to 16vdc some AOR's
for example.


John.
 

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I was just out picking up a few things. Since we are on the subject of DC power supplies I just stopped into a RadioShack store and they have car lighter adaptors for 4.5 to 12vdc in different ma ratings. The highest milliamp rating I think was 2000ma. They are also all fused and have amperage limiters built inside them. On my way out there was the scannner case, and inside it was a Pro-97 $199.00. I had to refrain myself from buying it. I don't have any LTR capability right now.

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Radios built with a 12V input typically can withstand up to 16V because the 12V rating tends to be synonymous with automobile use. Most automobiles actually range between 13.8 and 14.2 volts while running, and in very cold weather, the car's regulator will sometimes exceed 15V. Engineers take this for granted, and thus, design 12V equipment with a hearty internal regulator circuit.

Radios built with a 9V input are not built with these conditions in mind. You might, just might, get away with 12.0 volts; but 13.8 to 15+ volts will do irreparable damage.
 

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PhilJSmith67 said:
Radios built with a 12V input typically can withstand up to 16V because the 12V rating tends to be synonymous with automobile use. Most automobiles actually range between 13.8 and 14.2 volts while running, and in very cold weather, the car's regulator will sometimes exceed 15V. Engineers take this for granted, and thus, design 12V equipment with a hearty internal regulator circuit.

Radios built with a 9V input are not built with these conditions in mind. You might, just might, get away with 12.0 volts; but 13.8 to 15+ volts will do irreparable damage.

True, I have a 12 volt portable power supply (plastic thing with a 12v battery inside) and it actually outputs 18 volts sometimes.
 

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My pro-95 works great on a 6volt portable CD player adapter.
 

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Hmmmmmm... Rehashing the `12VDC' and 9VDC' powered scanner `thread' again? {WAN GRIN!} I seem to remember that besides myself there were a couple others who came up with an answer for this before but, I'll run it by again just in case.

First off... Get youself another `rigrunner', or similar, but *without* the `powerpoles' connectors. Standard spaced double Banna plug / binding post connectors are just fine. Next open it up so that you'll be able to have a *good* idea of just how much real room you will have to work with. (You are going to be building a regulator circuit inside.) Figure out what radios you are going to be powering and how much the *maximum* current you are going to drawing at the voltage you are going to be building your regulator for. (Hint! *Resist the urge* to try and `cheap john' this by using one of those `three terminal' IC regulators! You are going to want something that can handle some *power* and even the old TO-3 cased versions won't be able to do so! [5amps *may* seem like a lot but it really isn't all that hard to go over if one isn't careful!]) Do a *very* careful and through search for a circuit that will be able to supply the voltage and current you've come up with that you'll be needing *and* can also handle a fairly wide range of current draw while *still maintaining* it's regulation. (You really *don't* want it to allow the voltage to vary much more than about +/-.5V and +/- .25V is even more desirable.) Next comes the `fun' part {GRIN!}, building the regulator circuit into the `box'. The actual `output' device will have to have decent to danged good heatsinking and while using the metal case itself may be appealing a good finned heatsink is the way to go. (*Don't* `scrimp' on the heatsinking! Except for a very few `special' cases there is no such thing as too much! If you can find a heatsink that'll fit the length of one side and not `overlap' `front & rear' whilst still being able to hold your output device(s), use it!) *Finally*, You are going to have to do something to designate that this power outlet `strip' is *just* for powering devices that take the voltage you designed the regulator for. You should already have *one* `step' done by making it's connectors different from your `12VDC' unit. But, taking the `belt-n-suspenders' approach, it might also be a good idea, if at all possible, to paint the case of the unit a different colour than that of the `12VDC' unit. If you cannot do that another idea would be to get some `double banna plug' connectors, same number as `jacks' on the box is a very good idea, that are some other colour than black or red, I used yellow, and label and tag them someway as to what voltage is being used and then plug one into each jack pair and only remove them if you are actually going to use them to hook up a radio with it to the `box'. (BTW, *good* Banna plug `pairs' happen to have a `polarity' `marker' molded in. Usually one of the plugs will have a raised `rib' molded into the body next to it. If you used yellow like I did then you can take one of those `paint markers' similar to a `sharpie' and mark it black for negative or red for positive depending upon which ever you figure you'll be able to easily remember. Since it was a `line' on the ones I used I marked mine with black.)

Doing it this way means that not only do you have a place to provide power for your devices that happen to use whatever you designed the regulator for but you will also be able to keep the actually `count' of power supplies, whether they are actual `power supplies' or a `battery bank' of some kind down to just a few at one voltage (12VDC?). I *know* it sounds like a lot of work but in the long run it *does* `pay off'. (In being able to run the radios, control, and also in basic `organization' and `looks'.) Now, *if* this seems to be something that is not your `cup-o-tea' about the only other way might be to go with one or two of the RS `high current' wall warts, a few adapta-plug extensions and `Y' adapters plugged into an AC outlet strip and some careful creative `cable tie work' to keep all the wires `under control'. `For what it's worth' I've been both routes and while I was able to somewhat keep the `mess' with the wall warts, extensions, `Y' adapters, ETC. `under control?' the difference between that and actually having something akin to a RigRunner, except that it was for 9VDC, to handle things was, to use a well worn phrase, `like night and day'! (On one of the double banna jack / binding posts I have one of those three outlet `lighter socket' adapters in place so that *if* I *have* to plug in a unit that takes 9VDC *quickly* I can do so *and* I don't have to use a `cord' that's regulated but instead can just use a `standard?' `cord-n-plug' just like I can do with the adapter I have wired to my 12VDC `strip'. The 9VDC adapter is painted bright `electric' yellow and the 12VDC isn't, though I *did* consider painting it `electric' red, painted at all so that I can easily tell which is which at a glance. (It also makes it easier to give someone instructions, too! "You've got a 9VDC radio there? What plug does it use? OK, here's a cord with the right plug. Plug it into the *`electric' yellow* set of sockets.") I'm considering possibly building another power strip for 6VDC and using `electric?' green as the `coding' for it. It'll `hinge' upon whether or not I end up getting more than 1 or 2 6VDC radios. (If I only end up with just a couple I'll probably just use an `adaptaPlug' `Y' adapter off of the appropriate wall wart. {WAN GRIN!})

With a bit of planning and some careful shopping this should be, at the most, a `weekend' project.
 

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I wouldn't use green... It designates ground.

If I remember right... the primary "hot" colors are white, blue, yellow and red.

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bsavery said:
I wouldn't use green... It designates ground.

If I remember right... the primary "hot" colors are white, blue, yellow and red.

Bob

Actually, in AC white is not hot (it's neutral), but black is! Just a factoid I wanted to throw out there. At least green is still ground. 8)

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Voyager said:
bsavery said:
I wouldn't use green... It designates ground.

If I remember right... the primary "hot" colors are white, blue, yellow and red.

Bob

Actually, in AC white is not hot (it's neutral), but black is! Just a factoid I wanted to throw out there. At least green is still ground. 8)

Joe M.

DOH!!!!! I knew that! :oops:

I was thinking in the back of my head white could be another color to use, then remembered the different colors electricians use. But the signals must have short circuited on the way to my fingers!

Thanks for the correction!

Bob
 

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bsavery said:
Voyager said:
bsavery said:
I wouldn't use green... It designates ground.

If I remember right... the primary "hot" colors are white, blue, yellow and red.

Bob

Actually, in AC white is not hot (it's neutral), but black is! Just a factoid I wanted to throw out there. At least green is still ground. 8)

Joe M.

DOH!!!!! I knew that! :oops:

I was thinking in the back of my head white could be another color to use, then remembered the different colors electricians use. But the signals must have short circuited on the way to my fingers!

Thanks for the correction!

Bob

Not really a correction. You were talking about DC, not AC. As I said - just a fact I wanted to toss into the mix so people didn't go poking around in AC circuits thinking the black was 'safe' to connect a ground to.

Joe M.
 
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