Delaware Co Sheriff wants control over Emergency Communications

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Ohio Sheriff Fights for Control of Emergency System

DANA WILSON
The Columbus Dispatch (Ohio)


The Delaware County sheriff's dispute with commissioners over the countywide emergency-radio system has escalated to court.

In a lawsuit filed this week, Sheriff Al Myers is asking the Ohio 5th District Court of Appeals in Canton to let his office run the system.

"I firmly believe the state law says the sheriff's office of the county must be in charge of any countywide communications," Myers said yesterday. He added that his attorney advised him to bypass Common Pleas Court and file with the appellate court.

His complaint contends that he never told commissioners in writing that he does not want to operate the system, which recently was upgraded to a digital signal. Taxpayers paid $15.6 million for the project, which allows law-enforcement officers and other emergency workers to communicate on the same radio frequency.

Myers said it's an issue he has long debated with commissioners.

"I've tried to make offers on how to remedy this," Myers said. "I think the public's better served by public safety taking care of public safety."

Emergency Services Director Larry Fisher, whose office currently runs the system, said "It's exactly where it should be."

"This is not the first time the sheriff has indicated, verbally or through letter, that he feels the communication picture should all belong to him," Fisher said.

Although state law calls for sheriffs to operate such communication systems in counties with fewer than 750,000 residents, a provision allows commissioners to continue operating systems created before 1993, Fisher said. Delaware County's system has been in place since 1989.

Commissioner James Ward said the three-member board was in the process of trying to resolve the issue with the sheriff when he went to court.

"I don't think anything good will come over him controlling it," Ward said.

The commissioners have until Nov. 21 to respond to Myers' complaint.

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What is up with Sheriff Myers? I have yet to read anything good about him in the press. Its always more money or something else. Good grief. Leave things the way they are.
 

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What is up with Sheriff Myers? I have yet to read anything good about him in the press. Its always more money or something else. Good grief. Leave things the way they are.

It's a power play. As long as he's been Sheriff there, things like this have been going on. Now that the comm center is shiny and new, with a fancy new multi-million dollar radio system, Al wants control.
 

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Medic611, where you from? I was thinking the exact same thing while reading that article! LOL
 

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i live in laurelville, hocking county, i've worked in pickaway county for circleville and fairfield county on a few fire departments ....... i'm well known in the area
 

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medic611 said:
interesting tom how many of the sheriff's have the same ideas , example pops in my head is pickaway county.

Several, although in most counties (including Pickaway) emergency dispatch went with the sheriff simply by default, since the county SO was the only outfit around with a 24-hour comm center. Some counties (read: the commissioners) have placed emergency dispatch under the Emergency Management Agency, on the grounds that EMA could best run it non-parochially (that's generally correct).

In Pickaway County, the dispatching is done by the SO, but the trunked system is run by the county engineer's office with input from a countywide governing board (when they got the trunked system, no one was willing to take on the project except the engineer's office).

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wa8pyr said:
In Pickaway County, the dispatching is done by the SO, but the trunked system is run by the county engineer's office with input from a countywide governing board (when they got the trunked system, no one was willing to take on the project except the engineer's office).

Tom

Jim Bingman is in charge of the TRS, and yes there is the 800mhz board , however Jim is also an auxillary deputy. Knowing the sheriff he likes to "control" the county. Prior to the 800mhz days pickaway had a simple scrambler for " private " conversations on their old vhf system, so did the engineer's office. The only reason ericsson was given the contract was at that time motorola had poor encryption.
 

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medic611 said:
Jim Bingman is in charge of the TRS, and yes there is the 800mhz board , however Jim is also an auxillary deputy. Knowing the sheriff he likes to "control" the county. Prior to the 800mhz days pickaway had a simple scrambler for " private " conversations on their old vhf system, so did the engineer's office. The only reason ericsson was given the contract was at that time motorola had poor encryption.

Actually not correct. The EDACS system was donated to Pickaway County by GE, along with those for Fayette and Clinton counties. Jim told me that the systems were used by Ericcson/GE at special events or something to that effect, and when the need for them passed, they looked for someone to donate them to. Don't know how they ended up here, but I don't think anyone along the US22 corridor from Circleville to Wilmington is complaining...

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didnt big red in geauga county do that to thompson in 2000 ish.... thompson took him to court for taking the 911 lines and the judge threw it out.... at least thats what i remember.
 

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Tom is right on the money on GE donating backbone. But believe me maintenance and radio costs have well passed what it would of cost to get a Motorola System and do it right.
 

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But believe me maintenance and radio costs have well passed what it would of cost to get a Motorola System and do it right.

Considering everyone was going to new london tech , or FMR and buying reconditioned radios to use on pickaway co system. I personally know several departments that were buying radios from ebay and hoping the would work . With rebanding on its way some of those radios will be replaced . I know several times shipping radios out of state to be looked at, then had to be reprogrammed plus B&C communications always had the fun task of trying to patch things together to make it work .
 

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medic611 said:
Considering everyone was going to new london tech , or FMR and buying reconditioned radios to use on pickaway co system. I personally know several departments that were buying radios from ebay and hoping the would work . With rebanding on its way some of those radios will be replaced . I know several times shipping radios out of state to be looked at, then had to be reprogrammed plus B&C communications always had the fun task of trying to patch things together to make it work .

B&C doesn't do EDACS maintenance, they're a Moto shop....

Most of the maintenance for Pickaway County (Fayette and Clinton, too) is done by WS Electronics out of Xenia. Hall Electronics in Columbus does work for some agencies as well.
 

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medic611 said:
With rebanding on its way some of those radios will be replaced .
I always thought (I guess I read it somewhere) that rebanding wouldn't affect EDACS because the system uses Logical Channel Numbers rather than the FCC numbers. I could be completely wrong, though.

That's interesting about GE donating the systems. I always wondered why there was a concentration of EDACSes in that area; I just figured that GE had some good salesmen assigned to SW Ohio.
 

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The rebanding has nothing to do with FCC numbers (which don't exist anyway). The rebanding has to do with the frequencies themselves.
 

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Yes B&C does do some limited work on Pickaway's mobile on EDACS but nothing on the backbone. Pickaway, Fayette and Clinton all 3 are in the same boat with there systems. They would be way better off someday of investing in a Motorola System.
 

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FPO703 said:
The rebanding has nothing to do with FCC numbers (which don't exist anyway). The rebanding has to do with the frequencies themselves.
I'm not sure I follow. Care to expand?
 

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There are no such thing as the 'FCC Channel Numbers' So, the rebanding has nothing to do with that. Those 'channel numbers' are made up by the Motorola people.
 

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FPO703 said:
There are no such thing as the 'FCC Channel Numbers' So, the rebanding has nothing to do with that. Those 'channel numbers' are made up by the Motorola people.

The FCC uses channel numbers, Motorola must have made them do it... in reference to re-banding direct from the FCC web site.

"Will the NPSPAC channel numbers be changed as a result of the 800 MHz band reconfiguration?

Yes. The new NPSPAC channels numbers will be 1-230. See new rule Sections 90.16 and 90.613 in the Order. "

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