Denison Fire's gone woke, er, I mean Encrypted!

[riverradio68]

Been listening tonight after several calls asking if they are permanently half encrypted or what? Dispatch is defiantly encrypted but most units in the clear Just started this week.

154.1450 NAC 700

 

[Gopher]

I saw a Facebook post about that earlier today. Some of those posters were saying Sherman may not be far behind.
Van Alstyne and now Denison, I don't like this trend.
Is Fannin county encrypted or just digital?

 

[AB5ID]

We lost one of our major fire departments near Kansas City last week. It's strange to see fire dispatches going encrypted.

 

[Gopher]

We lost one of our major fire departments near Kansas City last week. It's strange to see fire dispatches going encrypted.

EMT services I could see but why fire?
Buy a new radio system, we'll throw encryption in for free.

 

[riverradio68]

Fannin Sheriff and both Bonham Police/Fire are just digital. But with Bonham's Police chief retiring and a new chief to be hired soon I'm sure the encryption question will come up for Bonham PD. Sheriff's channel i doubt will and Fire won't ever be encrypted.

Denison PD is fulltime which makes sense why fire dispatch is but fire units are not.

Its too bad as now they don't have to provide any accountability and can censor what they even do release to the public. They can set up anyone and there isn't a soul who would know any different.

 

[riverradio68]

I saw a Facebook post about that earlier today. Some of those posters were saying Sherman may not be far behind.
Van Alstyne and now Denison, I don't like this trend.

Sherman and Denison have a long and dark rivalry that will never be melted away by love. It is entirely possible Sherman could encrypt but they really would only do it to piss Denison off. Sherman doesn't do enough what would be sensitive stuff to justify it. Sherman Narcotics and CID use PTT over LTE and SWAT has its own dedicated channel which is licensed as digital only. (so no one is really looking for it). What I could see is Sherman moving to a trunked system especially with the growth explosion and all these semi-conductor chip manufacturers moving to Sherman. That talk came back up after Cooke Co. moved to Denton's system. I believe Whitewright, Van Alstyne, Gunter and Tioga have all been approached by PAWMCO so it wouldn't shock me to see a Grayson/Sherman Trunking system launched one day.

 

[mwjones]

Sherman and Denison have a long and dark rivalry that will never be melted away by love. It is entirely possible Sherman could encrypt but they really would only do it to piss Denison off. Sherman doesn't do enough what would be sensitive stuff to justify it. Sherman Narcotics and CID use PTT over LTE and SWAT has its own dedicated channel which is licensed as digital only. (so no one is really looking for it). What I could see is Sherman moving to a trunked system especially with the growth explosion and all these semi-conductor chip manufacturers moving to Sherman. That talk came back up after Cooke Co. moved to Denton's system. I believe Whitewright, Van Alstyne, Gunter and Tioga have all been approached by PAWMCO so it wouldn't shock me to see a Grayson/Sherman Trunking system launched one day.

I know on the old Collin County analog system it was reported that Van Alstyne was patched to a talkgroup on the system, mainly for interoperability (since Anna pursuits on 75 could quickly end up in Van Alstyne, and vice versa), but that went away when they migrated to PAWMCo.

Of course, it didn't matter to me at the time, since I was in Frisco. Now that I'm in Van Alstyne it's a whole different ballgame.

I suspect it's only a matter of time before the region as a whole ends up on a single system (likely NTIRN), much like has happened to our Southeast with TxWARN. The only question is how overboard they are going to go on the big E when it happens.

 

[Gopher]

I know on the old Collin County analog system it was reported that Van Alstyne was patched to a talkgroup on the system, mainly for interoperability (since Anna pursuits on 75 could quickly end up in Van Alstyne, and vice versa), but that went away when they migrated to PAWMCo.

Of course, it didn't matter to me at the time, since I was in Frisco. Now that I'm in Van Alstyne it's a whole different ballgame.

I suspect it's only a matter of time before the region as a whole ends up on a single system (likely NTIRN), much like has happened to our Southeast with TxWARN. The only question is how overboard they are going to go on the big E when it happens.

Glad to know I'm not the only one in town listening.
Isn't McKinney and Collin county encrypted?
I still haven't heard the whole story on why VA encrypted.

 

[mwjones]

Glad to know I'm not the only one in town listening.
Isn't McKinney and Collin county encrypted?
I still haven't heard the whole story on why VA encrypted.

McKinney is encrypted, Collin County is not. Plano, Allen, Wylie, Murphy and the other communities on PAWMCo encrypt their NCIC/Inquiry channels, but dispatch is clear. Frisco/Prosper is clear.

Celina stood up a new NexEdge system recently, and my current antenna setup doesn't give me the range to pick it up from home (I barely get the Megahertz Tier 3 and Connect Plus regional systems out of Howe), so I don't know if its public works only or if there might be some public safety on it as well (most of Celina mostly is dispatched by Collin County so I doubt it but need to investigate to be sure).

I too would be interested in hearing the reasoning behind VA's encryption. I'm walking distance from home to Braum's and see accidents on the 75 service road all the time, but it would be nice to know when I need to plan an alternate route when inbound from McKinney on 75.

 

[Gopher]

McKinney is encrypted, Collin County is not. Plano, Allen, Wylie, Murphy and the other communities on PAWMCo encrypt their NCIC/Inquiry channels, but dispatch is clear. Frisco/Prosper is clear.

Celina stood up a new NexEdge system recently, and my current antenna setup doesn't give me the range to pick it up from home (I barely get the Megahertz Tier 3 and Connect Plus regional systems out of Howe), so I don't know if its public works only or if there might be some public safety on it as well (most of Celina mostly is dispatched by Collin County so I doubt it but need to investigate to be sure).

I too would be interested in hearing the reasoning behind VA's encryption. I'm walking distance from home to Braum's and see accidents on the 75 service road all the time, but it would be nice to know when I need to plan an alternate route when inbound from McKinney on 75.

Yep, with the upcoming construction on 75 and the service roads, that information would be nice.
I had to laugh at the Facebook posts about Denison going dark. Some were saying it was because of Grayson County Scanner putting everybody's traffic on Facebook. There are numerous similar pages but this guy catches a lot of grief over it.

 

[Gopher]

Been listening tonight after several calls asking if they are permanently half encrypted or what? Dispatch is defiantly encrypted but most units in the clear Just started this week.

154.1450 NAC 700

I've been listening this evening and it's all over the place. I hear the cars on one call then hear dispatch a few minutes later in the clear on a different call. I just heard both sides of a call like normal. I've heard one fire call from dispatch but nothing from the engine. I'm also hearing some digital hash from time to time like a scrambled call. weird.

 

[riverradio68]

I've been listening this evening and it's all over the place. I hear the cars on one call then hear dispatch a few minutes later in the clear on a different call. I just heard both sides of a call like normal. I've heard one fire call from dispatch but nothing from the engine. I'm also hearing some digital hash from time to time like a scrambled call. weird.

Denison Police from what I have monitored all weekend were totally encrypted.

Fire, like you mentioned is really weird. I took Denison channels out of our Fire Radios this weekend (That was fun) Not that we need them on the east side of Fannin Co.

I did submit changes to the DB on Denison requesting an "e" on Fire and an "E" on Police, so far the submission has gone without attention (Shocker).

I mean, I get it. If I had to rely on KTEN and KXII, I'd encrypt too.