Departure from KEWR

[W2SJW]

I'm hoping that we have some pilots here that can help me with this, because I can't find it anywhere else on the net:

When NY departure on 119.2 hands planes off to the second-stage controllers, they primarily go to 4 different frequencies:

118.175
120.400
120.850
124.750

Could anyone help me out here with what directions these cover (N, S, E, & W), or what heading spreads these cover?

I was listening in Kearny today, and for the most part, planes being told to go 'Direct Solberg' were handed off to 120.850 (west), 'Direct Colt's Neck' to 124.750 (south), and the planes I watched stay straight-out north from the field were handed off to 120.400.

Any info is greatly appreciated!

 

[DPD1]

Normally the approach freqs are spread between radials off the airport, which they list on sectionals. But those you list don't seem to all be Class B or Center freqs. They might be a combination. Normally it would go Tower>TRACON>Center and reverse. In a busy area, you typically can't get an idea for the ultimate direction, until you follow them through a few freqs.

Dave
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[W2SJW]

I'm sorry if I didn't clarify - those are the departure frequencies that I hear the primary NY departure controller hand off to.

I know the approach:

127.6 (270-330)
128.55 (090-240)
132.7 (331-089)
132.8 (241-269)

What I'm trying to find out is, do the 4 departure freq's I recorded match up to a similar heading spread as these approach ones do?

 

[cipher66]

Here you go..... This should help.

http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showpost.php?p=182062&postcount=12

 

[W2SJW]

Thanks a million! That list helped confirm my assumptions.

Now I see what they are using 120.400 for - planes heading out straight-off 4L going NE would cross into LGA's controlled space quite soon after takeoff...

 

[PHL_Approach]

That list was probably compiled from the Virtual ZNY's (Vatsim Network) SOP. As you can see from that list. I'll break it down a little more. The initial departure sectors are 119.2 for EWR, 120.4 for LGA, 135.9 for JFK. The initial departures own up to 11k. The higher departures which are known at the "Liberty Area" consist of 5 sectors in N90. Liberty East, West, North and South then Liberty Catskills. For the most part departures out of EWR are turned to the western departure exits (e.g. PARKE, LANNA, BIGGY etc) Liberty West 120.85 owns those. To the south you have exits (e.g. SHIPP, DIXIE etc) Liberty South on 124.75 owns those exits. The four main Liberty departure sectors own 11 - 17. If you need some more info let me know.

 

[W2SJW]

Yes, if you could put together as comprehensive of a list as you can, and then hit me up here via PM and we'll take it from there.

Much appreciated!

 

[DaveNF2G]

I'd like that info, too. ZNY and the NYC airports are tougher to figure out because New York is so different from everywhere else.

 

[Airfire]

To further expand on the good info provided by PHL_Approach, as stated, EWR departuers are switched from EWR tower to the EWR departure controller on 119.2.

Depending on the route of flight and requested altitude, the aircraft is vectored to one of the departure gates. Once the aircraft is established on a heading to the respective gate the aircraft is handed off as follows:

East departures -
-High Altitude via Greki/Merit/Bayys/CMK - 120.4 LGA Dep then Liberty East 126.8
-Low altitude via Brezy - 120.55 LGA Nyack Sector

West Departures via Eliot/Parke/Lanna/Biggy - Liberty West 120.85

South Departures -
-High Altitude via Dixie/White - Liberty South 124.75
-Low Altitude via Colts Neck VOR - 127.4 JFK CAMRN Sector

North Departures -
-High Altitude via Gayel/Haays/Neion/Coate - 118.75 Liberty North
-Low Altitude via SWF - 132.75 Liberty Dutchess Sector

Hope that helps.

Jim

 

[W2SJW]

VERY much a big help!

 

[PHL_Approach]

Here are some maps I dug up that I had

Liberty Sectors including gates, ARTCC Handoff's:

Liberty North Handoff's

Liberty South Handoff's

Liberty East Handoff's

Liberty West Handoff's

Full Liberty Video Map

Altitudes for Liberty Video Map

Liberty North delegation w/ altitudes

Liberty South delegation w/ altitudes

Liberty East delegation w/ altitudes

Liberty West delegation w/ altitudes

 

[W2SJW]

All I can say is WOW!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm off to put this together in a nice PDF file...

 

[W2SJW]

PHL Approach,

What can you give us for NY approach as well (sorry to be greedy)?

 

[PHL_Approach]

You want just main Approach sector stuff like Feeder Approaches and Finals. Do you also want Satellite sectors below the main stuff that run approaches for small fields like MMU, TEB, FRG. Last question, what main airports do you you want the video maps for? When you get back to me. I'll post it sometime throughout the day or into the night.

 

[W2SJW]

Yes, just the main stuff the 'big boys' would use to make there way into KEWR.

I'm putting this PDF together for a dozen or so guys in my amateur radio club that are interested in aircraft monitoring in the Hunterdon/Somerset/Middlesex area.

Again, thanks a million for this priceless data!

 

[cookiend15]

You might want to try the following website for some help with your question

it is

www.airnav.com

I hope that this helps

 

[DaveNF2G]

Airnav won't help with the topic under discussion here.

Cookiend15, some friendly advice - please take it this way! - You are very new to scanning, as I have learned by corresponding with you via the NF2G Scannist Pages. I appreciate your enthusiasm for some of your newfound knowledge, but putting up a scanning website with practically no information on it, and offering very basic and irrelevant suggestions to more experienced hobbyists, does not really do much for your reputation in the hobby.

As a newbie, it is entirely possible that you could discover some important data that nobody has found out yet. When that happens, you should feel free to share it. But reinventing the wheel only emphasises that you still have a long way to go. Please continue to search around with your scanner, learn to evaluate what you hear, and "look over the shoulders" of hobbyists who have been around for a while.

Above all, keep on asking questions! That's how we learn.

 

[W2SJW]

You might want to try the following website for some help with your question

it is

www.airnav.com

I hope that this helps

I wouldn't be asking such specific questions here if airnav.com had helped me with what I was looking for. A good site, but limited for it's intended use...

 

[carbineone]

W2SJW just a heads up you left out 125.500 on your approach frequency listing.

 

[W2SJW]

W2SJW just a heads up you left out 125.500 on your approach frequency listing.

See, I got the 4 frequencies above from airnav.com's KEWR listings! I'll wait patiently for PHL Approach's data...

BTW, thank you for that freq - do you happen to know what direction/altitude it's for?