Sorry! Law enforcement us honest scanner listeners can't help too much to catch this criminal because alot of your law enforcement in Flordia mainly around Orlando and Highway Patrol are using Pro Voice and we can't here where you are to help look for this scumbag!
Deputy shot in Flordia
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JoeyC
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It is not the publics responsibility to search for an armed suspect NOR would the police WANT you to. I doubt seriously your complaint will float.
FPO703
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He's not saying it is. But, the more sets of eyes that are out there (even inside homes, businesses, etc... ) looking for this idiot the better, If you're not able to monitor it, how are you going to assist? It doesn't matter what the police want, the citizens also have a right to help out if needed to.
If a citizen with a scanner hears about a robbery or break-in near there house and they peek out their window and see the guy, they can call the police and let them handle it. If the same incident occurs and a resident is unaware of it and this person tries to break into another house or is running through yards, etc... the citizen may not have a clue as to what is happening.
I believe the original poster has a valid point. However, it's not up to the general public to make decisions about what radio systems are in place for operations. It should be. But, it's not.
If a citizen with a scanner hears about a robbery or break-in near there house and they peek out their window and see the guy, they can call the police and let them handle it. If the same incident occurs and a resident is unaware of it and this person tries to break into another house or is running through yards, etc... the citizen may not have a clue as to what is happening.
I believe the original poster has a valid point. However, it's not up to the general public to make decisions about what radio systems are in place for operations. It should be. But, it's not.
JnglMassiv
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Not search but encounter. If you see a guy running down the street, it may seem unusual but you're likely to forget all about it. You see that same guy after hearing his description read on the radio, a responsible citizen will call the authorities to give the suspect's postition and heading.JoeyC said:
The police are using Amber Alerts to the same effect.
JoeyC
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Look, I am not saying that another set of eye (ours) isn't a good thing for the police in the situation, but your argument about not being able to monitor them because of ProVoice isn't valid. (and helping out isn't a RIGHT, its your choice)
Listening to police radio systems regardless of whether WE the citizens have paid for it is not a RIGHT, it is a priviledge. Although I am against encryption (of course because I like monitoring as well) the users of the radios have the ultimate say in whether they use it or not. Consider yourself lucky if you are able to monitor, and if you don't like it you should move, most of the country is monitorable.
Listening to police radio systems regardless of whether WE the citizens have paid for it is not a RIGHT, it is a priviledge. Although I am against encryption (of course because I like monitoring as well) the users of the radios have the ultimate say in whether they use it or not. Consider yourself lucky if you are able to monitor, and if you don't like it you should move, most of the country is monitorable.
lschmidt
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Voice Of The People
When a County or City has ideas about changing radio systems it has to
be discussed and formalized before it can take place. This is when the
citizens should make their opinions known.Go to council meetings and the
like as many of these meetings will be open to the public.
Interoperabilty-YES
Full Time Secret Police-NO
Strive to preserve the hobby of Public Safety communications monitoring.
Not everyone who listens to a scanner is a criminal or terrorist.
When a County or City has ideas about changing radio systems it has to
be discussed and formalized before it can take place. This is when the
citizens should make their opinions known.Go to council meetings and the
like as many of these meetings will be open to the public.
Interoperabilty-YES
Full Time Secret Police-NO
Strive to preserve the hobby of Public Safety communications monitoring.
Not everyone who listens to a scanner is a criminal or terrorist.
RolnCode3
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It looks like this thread started out on the wrong note.
And yes, we always hope and pary for the best for the department and the employee's family.
And yes, we always hope and pary for the best for the department and the employee's family.
Deputy Shot in Flordia
These responses sound familiar you're either too far to the right or your too far to the left.Hum? I don't most people will move away from a town or move to a town just so you can listen to police. My point is that if police communications are left open to the public then we can help in so many ways to help the Police catch most criminals. I would think and hope as a citzen you would want to help catch someone who has killed another citzen no mater who that citzen is. (sorry just the military in me)I guess we could wait to hear later on the news. But they don't go live with every crime and it possibly could be too late. This criminal could kill a love one of yours. But just think if you might have heard it on your scanner you could have help locate this scumbag and possibly prevented this. The best argument for having open communications is the more eyes in the fastest time, the less chance a criminal would get away.
And I will go father to say if this means getting a special license to do this to protect the police than so be it.
These responses sound familiar you're either too far to the right or your too far to the left.Hum? I don't most people will move away from a town or move to a town just so you can listen to police. My point is that if police communications are left open to the public then we can help in so many ways to help the Police catch most criminals. I would think and hope as a citzen you would want to help catch someone who has killed another citzen no mater who that citzen is. (sorry just the military in me)I guess we could wait to hear later on the news. But they don't go live with every crime and it possibly could be too late. This criminal could kill a love one of yours. But just think if you might have heard it on your scanner you could have help locate this scumbag and possibly prevented this. The best argument for having open communications is the more eyes in the fastest time, the less chance a criminal would get away.
And I will go father to say if this means getting a special license to do this to protect the police than so be it.
lschmidt
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Have the new radio systems in use today actually lessened the dangers
that a law enforcement officer faces on a daily basis? You still hear about
officers and deputies having to come face to face with gun yeilding criminals on the news on a regular basis and many times it's the L.E.O.
who gets hurt or killed in these confrontations.
that a law enforcement officer faces on a daily basis? You still hear about
officers and deputies having to come face to face with gun yeilding criminals on the news on a regular basis and many times it's the L.E.O.
who gets hurt or killed in these confrontations.
"Have the new radio systems in use today actually lessened the dangers
that a law enforcement officer faces on a daily basis?"
Who said it would? Why would it?
that a law enforcement officer faces on a daily basis?"
Who said it would? Why would it?
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N_Jay
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lschmidt said:
YES!
In spite of all the compaints that surface, in almost every case, the new system is designed to outperform that old.
Yes there are still dead spots (It radio!), but no one ever "complains" about all the old dead spots that went away!
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N_Jay
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SMbaugh said:
If they want your help they will put out through their PIO.
Just tune into the local News/Talk radio station.
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N_Jay
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Re: Deputy Shot in Flordia
This has been hashed through SO MANY TIMES!
The number of scanner listeners who help is so small it is irrelevent to improving law enforcement.
The number of scanner listeners who get in the way is large enough to be noticed.
Sounds like you want to be a cop? Go join up and do it right!
SMbaugh said:
This has been hashed through SO MANY TIMES!
The number of scanner listeners who help is so small it is irrelevent to improving law enforcement.
The number of scanner listeners who get in the way is large enough to be noticed.
Sounds like you want to be a cop? Go join up and do it right!
Deputy Shot in Flordia
Iv'e served in the military for over 23 years so that is enough direct public service. However on the main question of helping police by listening to your scanner if the communications were left open. Why is the Amber alert so sucessful in helping get kids back or released? And i will go one step farther if a scanner listner was to here a kidnapping then he would also be on the lookout for this person and give a much neede set of eyes to lookout for way before the amber alert ever goes out and possibly before harm is done. Surely everyone will agree this is a qulaity point of having the infomation out to those responsible scanner listeners who would gladly help in this case.
Iv'e served in the military for over 23 years so that is enough direct public service. However on the main question of helping police by listening to your scanner if the communications were left open. Why is the Amber alert so sucessful in helping get kids back or released? And i will go one step farther if a scanner listner was to here a kidnapping then he would also be on the lookout for this person and give a much neede set of eyes to lookout for way before the amber alert ever goes out and possibly before harm is done. Surely everyone will agree this is a qulaity point of having the infomation out to those responsible scanner listeners who would gladly help in this case.
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N_Jay
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Re: Deputy Shot in Flordia
Spend some time talking to the professionals in the field (LEOs and 911 Dispatch) and you will get a different view.
Yes Amber Alerts are effective. This information passes through the PIO and is distributed to MILLIONS of people.
It is not sent out "unfiltered" to a hand full of scanner listeners.
You will be hard pressed to find a few cases where "Scanner Listeners" provided any significant help.
You will find almost every LEO and professional first responder with a horror story about a scanner listener "trying to help"!
All your enthusiasm and conviction does not change the facts.
SMbaugh said:
Spend some time talking to the professionals in the field (LEOs and 911 Dispatch) and you will get a different view.
Yes Amber Alerts are effective. This information passes through the PIO and is distributed to MILLIONS of people.
It is not sent out "unfiltered" to a hand full of scanner listeners.
You will be hard pressed to find a few cases where "Scanner Listeners" provided any significant help.
You will find almost every LEO and professional first responder with a horror story about a scanner listener "trying to help"!
All your enthusiasm and conviction does not change the facts.
Deputy Shot in Flordia
Ok lets talk about facts. Show where if the police communications are encrypted that crime has gone down. I don't think you will find too many cities that because of encryption or can't listen to police for instant Memphis or Cleveland because of vselp digital or provoice that crime went away. On the premise of most scanner listeners going out to get in the way of police is minute also. But to say that an extra set of eyes will be no help is crazy. I wll say also that if you do hear something way across town it is just as crazy to go and get in the way of police or fire or EMS too! For the most of us I don't think that we would however if we by seeing a fleeing suspect could help by telling the police where he is and knowing that the police are looking for him would indeed help the police. And lets not forget that an officer who serves you and me lost his life trying to protect ours. If we scanner listeners could have prevented this I think most of us would if knowing how dangerous this guy was. Let's look also at during bad weather that infomation over police radios is the most current info avaible and could save your life someday.
Ok lets talk about facts. Show where if the police communications are encrypted that crime has gone down. I don't think you will find too many cities that because of encryption or can't listen to police for instant Memphis or Cleveland because of vselp digital or provoice that crime went away. On the premise of most scanner listeners going out to get in the way of police is minute also. But to say that an extra set of eyes will be no help is crazy. I wll say also that if you do hear something way across town it is just as crazy to go and get in the way of police or fire or EMS too! For the most of us I don't think that we would however if we by seeing a fleeing suspect could help by telling the police where he is and knowing that the police are looking for him would indeed help the police. And lets not forget that an officer who serves you and me lost his life trying to protect ours. If we scanner listeners could have prevented this I think most of us would if knowing how dangerous this guy was. Let's look also at during bad weather that infomation over police radios is the most current info avaible and could save your life someday.
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N_Jay
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Re: Deputy Shot in Flordia
Read again, I did not state the point you are arguing with.
So, either you can't read, or you are trying to distract from the point!
I also did not say "Most scanner listeners". Just more get in the way than help.
(More reading lessons needed)
OK, yes, extra eyes are helpfull. Lots of extra eyes provided with information through the PIO, not a FEW extra eyes acting on unfiltered and/or partial information overheard.
( I think I made this point, but you might have missed it with your reading skills)
But some do, and it does not mater if it is accross town or down the block.
Either way you are MORE LIKELY to be in the way, then to help!
Again, true, if you see a suspicious person call 911.
But the number of scanner listeners where this occures is SMALL.
The number who at one time or another get in the way is much larger.
(Don't argue with me, go ask a LEO or a Dispatcher)
This is the invalid and untested conclusion you have JUMPED TO in order to try to make your point.
It does not fly, sorry!
No, the information from weather spotters and NOAA is the most current.
Scan them!!
SMbaugh said:
Read again, I did not state the point you are arguing with.
So, either you can't read, or you are trying to distract from the point!
SMbaugh said:
I also did not say "Most scanner listeners". Just more get in the way than help.
(More reading lessons needed)
SMbaugh said:
OK, yes, extra eyes are helpfull. Lots of extra eyes provided with information through the PIO, not a FEW extra eyes acting on unfiltered and/or partial information overheard.
( I think I made this point, but you might have missed it with your reading skills)
SMbaugh said:
But some do, and it does not mater if it is accross town or down the block.
Either way you are MORE LIKELY to be in the way, then to help!
SMbaugh said:
Again, true, if you see a suspicious person call 911.
But the number of scanner listeners where this occures is SMALL.
The number who at one time or another get in the way is much larger.
(Don't argue with me, go ask a LEO or a Dispatcher)
SMbaugh said:
This is the invalid and untested conclusion you have JUMPED TO in order to try to make your point.
It does not fly, sorry!
SMbaugh said:
No, the information from weather spotters and NOAA is the most current.
Scan them!!
Deputy Shot in Flordia
People love to critisize huh! especially people with no facts. My point in starting this thread is that listening to a scanner is enjoyable and has been a hobby of mine for about 27 years. If you can be of some help than certainly try if that is your wish to help the police. Let's not forget again that a public servant lost his life this week and of course pray for his family and we all thank the police and fire and EMS personnel for their service to all of us in our time of need. Crime is a problem in this country and we all should help if we can to prevent it or make it a little easier on the people who have to deal with it every day.
People love to critisize huh! especially people with no facts. My point in starting this thread is that listening to a scanner is enjoyable and has been a hobby of mine for about 27 years. If you can be of some help than certainly try if that is your wish to help the police. Let's not forget again that a public servant lost his life this week and of course pray for his family and we all thank the police and fire and EMS personnel for their service to all of us in our time of need. Crime is a problem in this country and we all should help if we can to prevent it or make it a little easier on the people who have to deal with it every day.
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N_Jay
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Re: Deputy Shot in Flordia
LOL, what a crack up. :twisted:
You started this thread WITH NO FACTS.
Just using an event to CRITICIZE any decision to make a system unfriendly to scanners.
Sorry for the sarcasm.
As I said in my first post. This has been hashed over. Do a search on th eold threads and see if ANY of the LEOs on this board agree with your position.
SMbaugh said:People love to critisize huh! especially people with no facts. My point in starting this thread is that listening to a scanner is enjoyable and has been a hobby of mine for about 27 years. If you can be of some help than certainly try if that is your wish to help the police. Let's not forget again that a public servant lost his life this week and of course pray for his family and we all thank the police and fire and EMS personnel for their service to all of us in our time of need. Crime is a problem in this country and we all should help if we can to prevent it or make it a little easier on the people who have to deal with it every day.
LOL, what a crack up. :twisted:
You started this thread WITH NO FACTS.
Just using an event to CRITICIZE any decision to make a system unfriendly to scanners.
Sorry for the sarcasm.
As I said in my first post. This has been hashed over. Do a search on th eold threads and see if ANY of the LEOs on this board agree with your position.
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