Diamond D130NJ poor RX in precipitation

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Anyone have a similar experience? I haven't gone back up on the roof yet to check the antenna for damage or the coax for water.

It went up this time last year on a 10' mast on a chimney mount, with 40' of LMR400. I have a drop amp on this feeding a 3-way splitter for 2 TVs and my Airspy R2 spyserver. I notice the issue on the TV the most as local stations that should have an overwhelming signal start to go pixellated or drop out altogether.

I am wondering if the moisture is shorting the antenna or if it is leaking through and getting in the coax. It clears up within hours or a day of the precip stopping, so I feel it is an external problem more than an internal leak. Perhaps a liberal coating of an oily protectant externally?
 

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The D130 is a vertically polarized antenna and not designed for TV reception. The splitter is 75 ohm and the antenna and coax are 50 ohm. How are you connecting the LMR400 to the splitter? Splitter will have an insertion loss. So many issues. Did you weatherproof all outside connections?
 

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It was working perfect with tv channels and all but now the signal drops when it rains?
The antenna connector and coax are pretty well protected inside the mounting tube below the antenna so it could be the coax.
Check every coax connector you have outdoors and waterproof them again.

Check the plastic insulator between the vertical elements and the bottom elements for any cracks that could leak in water.

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Anyone have a similar experience? I haven't gone back up on the roof yet to check the antenna for damage or the coax for water.

It went up this time last year on a 10' mast on a chimney mount, with 40' of LMR400. I have a drop amp on this feeding a 3-way splitter for 2 TVs and my Airspy R2 spyserver. I notice the issue on the TV the most as local stations that should have an overwhelming signal start to go pixellated or drop out altogether.
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The loss from impedance mis-match is likely not significant. But the lost from the 3-way splitter, if not an active (having an amplifier) one, is significant. However, you did not say how high this antenna is relative to the average terrain and trees. Wet trees, particularly evergreens, can affect signal levels.
 

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Do you have a way to measure VSWR at several frequencies across VHF/UHF? If you can do a measurement when its dry and working fine then compare the VSWR after it rains and its not working it could tell you if water is getting into something and causing the problem.
 

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I had an antenna several years ago with an insulator that absorbed moisture and sent the SWR out of sight. The company replaced the defective section and all was well.
 

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The D130 is a vertically polarized antenna and not designed for TV reception. The splitter is 75 ohm and the antenna and coax are 50 ohm. How are you connecting the LMR400 to the splitter? Splitter will have an insertion loss. So many issues. Did you weatherproof all outside connections?
Did you use a water proof sealant on the coax to antenna connection?
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Keep in mind this works fine for my needs when it's dry. I went with the discone because I have low band vhf, vhf-hi, and uhf stations around me and also wanted a good general coverage receive antenna for scanners and other receivers. The impedence mismatch is a non-issue. I have an N to F adapter connected to a polyphaser arrestor, and then rg-6 with F making entry inside. Inside then connects to an FM trap filter which then feeds a +15db drop amplifier, which then feeds the 3 way splitter. Again this works brilliant when it's dry and I have no complaints at all until it rains. The connections at the bottom are admittedly not weatherproofed. However, they are shielded from weather mostly from the roof overhang. I've also checked them repeatedly for water and they remain dry. At the antenna, the coax connection is hidden from weather as it comes up inside the mounting pipe but IIRC I still wrapped it with e-tape.

It was working perfect with tv channels and all but now the signal drops when it rains?
Check the plastic insulator between the vertical elements and the bottom elements for any cracks that could leak in water.
/Ubbe

Right, works perfect then rain gets in somewhere. I haven't been on the roof yet to check the antenna for cracks. That's the purpose of this thread, to hear if anyone else has had that sort of issue with this specific antenna. I had a cheap Tram discone that fell apart but I thought I was getting a better quality one with this Diamond.

The loss from impedance mis-match is likely not significant. But the lost from the 3-way splitter, if not an active (having an amplifier) one, is significant. However, you did not say how high this antenna is relative to the average terrain and trees. Wet trees, particularly evergreens, can affect signal levels.
I agree on the impedence, it's close enough. Again, works fine when dry for my needs. I am feeding the splitter with a drop amp, so I am fine there. The trees however could be an issue. We have a line of pines up the side of the property between us and the city. I want to say the antenna is probably still 15ft or so below the tops of them. I did consider putting another 5 or 10ft of mast on it, but I can't load the chimney bracket too much more. It is the only antenna on it though.
Do you have a way to measure VSWR at several frequencies across VHF/UHF? If you can do a measurement when its dry and working fine then compare the VSWR after it rains and its not working it could tell you if water is getting into something and causing the problem.
That's worth a try, I can take an HT and a SWR meter outside and hook directly to the LMR. I didn't use an LNA at the top so I'd be able to use it for TX in a pinch.
 

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Shawn I put up 21 foot Station Master Antennas when I was younger and the connection was up in the pipe (just a short distance) the rain and moisture in the air would wick up into the connector at the antenna. Simple tape as you have used should stop it there. As stated I would look at the top for a crack.
 

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All good info. I use a Diamond D3000N fed with PerfectVision RG-6, about 22 feet above ground. Tried it for OTA TV and it does receive some TV stations but works even better with a preamp inside the shack. However that's not what I use it for.

Never experienced what redbeard has though. Mine has an N to F connector installed and wrapped with CoaxSeal, the best stuff in my opinion.
 

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If you are noticing what is very likely a moisture ingress problem, you're probably likely to see it get worse regardless of what you do. Once water is in the system (connections, coils, other antenna internals).... that's usually all she wrote. Last time I checked you get freezing temps most of the winter... which does not help at all. Time for "whole unit" replacement (preceded of course by a root cause analysis of exactly where the water was so you know what to replace.)
 

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I'm not convinced water has made it inside anything really, given how quick the issue clears up and goes back to pre-rain levels. I feel like it is just the external water on the antenna itself or perhaps the water in the trees surrounding me as dlwtrunked mentioned. I am probably going to add another 5' pipe very shortly and inspect everything up there at that time. And maybe dielectric grease the center hub.
 

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A leak or condensation buildup seems pretty obvious when the symptoms are weather-related. I have had the same issue at my Florida house. After a week of this and that I finally ran a replacement run of new coax and all new fittings, weather sealed. Problem solved.

When in doubt, replace, reboot, or reinstall.
 
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