Difference Between AM and FM

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I just want to know the difference between an AM and FM tower transmittion.

whats the difference, does one have better range or ?????
 

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In general, most AM transmissions have better range than FM, but FM transmissions generally have better sound quality than AM.

AM- Amplitude Modulation

FM- Frequency Modulation
 

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FM also has capture effect where the strongest station will cut out weaker stattions. AM does not have caputre and when planes are at high altijtude they may not want the strongest station.
 

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another question is, how come airband are different than regular radio.

lets say if i use a regular FM radio and listen to 107.3 or something. i can listen to it anywhere in the city with a pretty awesome range.
but how come when it is 118 the range becomes weak?

i mean the frequency is only 10 off, if i listen to 90.5 on FM radio, it has the same range difference and i can listen to it anywhere as well.

just something i don't understand.
kinna a newb question, but answers would be great thanks
 

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Your 107.3 FM radio may have five or ten thousand, even more, watts of power. The AM aircraft transmitter may have 50 or 100 watts of power. So thats the first difference. Next the FM radio station is radiating from a tall tower downward toward you. If you are talking about the control tower, then you have a antenna mounted low to the ground and upward aiming at the aircraft.

Comparing the signals from a FM radio station to a control tower is like comparing a corvette speed to a lawn mower.
 

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another question is, how come airband are different than regular radio.

lets say if i use a regular FM radio and listen to 107.3 or something. i can listen to it anywhere in the city with a pretty awesome range.
but how come when it is 118 the range becomes weak?

i mean the frequency is only 10 off, if i listen to 90.5 on FM radio, it has the same range difference and i can listen to it anywhere as well.

just something i don't understand.
kinna a newb question, but answers would be great thanks
 
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RedsunsDriver said:
another question is, how come airband are different than regular radio.

lets say if i use a regular FM radio and listen to 107.3 or something. i can listen to it anywhere in the city with a pretty awesome range.
but how come when it is 118 the range becomes weak?

i mean the frequency is only 10 off, if i listen to 90.5 on FM radio, it has the same range difference and i can listen to it anywhere as well.

just something i don't understand.
kinna a newb question, but answers would be great thanks

History!!!!

SOme will make up other reasons like AM is better for aircraft for this reason or that, but the real answer is HISTORY!
 

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The reason that aircraft VHF uses AM, is as mentioned, history.
When they started using VHF for aircraft communication, the FM (Frequency Modulation) was thought to be to expensive and unreliable. When FM was proven to be better, all the aircrafts in the world was equiped with VHF AM radios, and no one would pay for the expences of changing all the VHF AM radios who work adequately out for a marginaly better FM system.
 

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RedsunsDriver said:
I just want to know the difference between an AM and FM tower transmittion.

whats the difference, does one have better range or ?????
The range is not affected by the modulation, but the bandwith have a small effect on the range.

The difference between AM and FM, is that in AM (Amplitude Modulation), the audio signal modulates the envelope (amplitude) of the carrier, while on FM (Frequency Modulation) the audio modulates the frequency of the carrier.

Also check out this tutorial:
http://www.dxing.com/modesand.htm
 
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Arcticpeak said:
RedsunsDriver said:
I just want to know the difference between an AM and FM tower transmittion.

whats the difference, does one have better range or ?????
The range is not affected by the modulation, but the bandwith have a small effect on the range.

The usable range is very definetly affected by the modulation parameters which includes the type and bandwidth.
 

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No, it is not affekted by the modulation, but it is affected by the bandwith, and for many practical purposes the the bandwith is dependent on the modulation.
The bandwith affects the range because the receiver becomes more sensitive with smaler bandwith (because the receiver receives less noise). Also, with smaller bandwith the power of the transmitted signal gets more consentrated, which also benefittes the range.

However if advanced modulation technics (PSK, MFK) is involved, the range can be greatly improved over traditional modulation (AM/FM), but this haven't so much to do with the modulations it self but have more to to with the method employed for coding the information and forward error corrections protocoll etc.
For more information look up WSJT.
 
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No, it is not affekted by the modulation, but it is affected by the bandwith, and for many practical purposes the the bandwith is dependent on the modulation. . . . .

:roll: :roll: :roll:

USABLE RANGE (as opposed to propagation range) is DEFINETLY affected by Modulation. It is affected by almost each and every attribute of the modulation INCLUDING, Type, Bandwidth, and (if used) Encoding.

Then it is also affected by the attributes of the receiver, and the noise environment in the vicinity of the receiver, and the suicceptability of that particular receiver to that noise.
 

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That's true, I should have been more precise. :D

The usable range for aircrafts on VHF is limited to the radio horizon.
This can easily be calculated by the following formula:

Distanse to radio horizon in miles = 1,415 * Square (Height in Feet)

Of course during times with tropos, aurora sporadic E, etc, the range can be significantly better, and thus disturb remote aircraft communication.
 

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AM does not nesicarily go farther. AM uses about the same bandwidth as a typical NBFM signal. AM ignals are more suceptable to noise and interference compared to NBFM signals so for the sake of this thread a NBFM signal will exceed an equivalent AM signal in the range you are able to receive it. the reason for this is that an AM receiver is listening for a carrier with changes in modulation. That carrier can come in the form of a corroded street light socket and you will hear a nasty buzz. This noise makes hearing the AM signal much harder. the FM receiver is listening for a carrier with a changing frequenccy. Noise may come in on teh center frequency (150.100MHz) but the modulation can overcome the noise on 150.100 because the sending station modulates the frequency and causes variations that the receiver is able to hear on either side of the noise, so if the noise is at 150.100 the FM signal will be between 150.095-150.105 so the receiver will hear the modulation and demodulate it. Now in real life this doesent always work this way. AM will loose "volume" as the signal gets weaker where FM doesent do it as bad. In general an FM signal will be heard farther than the exact same AM signal. Now if you want to know mode will go farther than those, try a mode called continuous wave (CW)
 
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kf4lne said:
AM does not nesicarily go farther. AM uses about the same bandwidth as a typical NBFM signal. AM ignals are more suceptable to noise and interference compared to NBFM signals so for the sake of this thread a NBFM signal will exceed an equivalent AM signal in the range you are able to receive it. the reason for this is that an AM receiver is listening for a carrier with changes in modulation. That carrier can come in the form of a corroded street light socket and you will hear a nasty buzz. This noise makes hearing the AM signal much harder. the FM receiver is listening for a carrier with a changing frequenccy. Noise may come in on teh center frequency (150.100MHz) but the modulation can overcome the noise on 150.100 because the sending station modulates the frequency and causes variations that the receiver is able to hear on either side of the noise, so if the noise is at 150.100 the FM signal will be between 150.095-150.105 so the receiver will hear the modulation and demodulate it. Now in real life this doesent always work this way. AM will loose "volume" as the signal gets weaker where FM doesent do it as bad. In general an FM signal will be heard farther than the exact same AM signal. Now if you want to know mode will go farther than those, try a mode called continuous wave (CW)

Not quite right.
While FM suffers from less interference, under similar conditions and similar bandwidth AM has a slight range advantage.
 

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When making comparisons between AM and FM there is a vast difference in performance of each depending upon the received signal strength. Generally we tend to think that FM will always outperform AM but that is not always true and here is why.

The improvement in S/N ratio for FM can be calculated using the formula dB = 10*Log 3*m^2, where m is the modulation index of the FM signal. The modulation index in FM is calculated by this formula m = deviation / highest mod frequency.

In a typical NFM system like a two-way radio, the deviation is 5 KHz deviation and the highest modulating frequency is 3 KHz so m = 1.667. If you plug 1.667 into the first formula the S/N ratio gain for FM over a 100% modulated AM signal is about 9.2 dB. In an FM broadcast system the gain is almost 19 dB!.

But there is one caveat, in order to achieve this gain, all of the FM sidebands need to exceed a minimum signal level. This is sometimes called the FM improvement threshold but more commonly called the quieting point. As the FM signal level sinks below this threshold, the S/N gain quickly disappears. There is a limit point at which AM then has a higher S/N ratio than FM.

This is because of two factors: 1. FM has multiple sidebands and all of them need to be detectable in order to have the gain in S/N ratio. 2. An FM receiver bandwidth is typically in the 15 KHz range where as an equivalent AM receiver bandwidth can be as narrow as 6 KHz. That fact by itself gives AM an approximate 4.0 dB advantage in noise reduction. This is one of the reasons why single sideband, a form of AM, works best for weak signal Dxing.

To summarize: If the FM signal exceeds the quieting point then it will typically have a higher signal to noise ratio than an equal level AM signal. As the FM signal level drops below this point, the AM signal will eventually have a higher signal to noise ratio.

Dan
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FM also has capture effect where the strongest station will cut out weaker stattions. AM does not have caputre and when planes are at high altijtude they may not want the strongest station.

AM does have capture effect.

ILS's use this concept. They are AM, and transmit two distinct radiation patterns, one is called "capture" and is Fc-5khz, and "Course" which is Fc+5Khz for a Localiser (+/-9 Khz for a GS). The "capture" signal is wide and relatively innacurate and simply guides the aircraft towards the course, which is extremely accurate and stronger than the capture. As soon as the course is greater than the capture, the reciever swaps over to the stronger of the two, and they now use a precision approach.

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Why AM is better than FM when S/N ratio is low?

Another old thread brought back to life for almost no reason.

It all depends what you want to do (what you consider to be "better"), an at what S/N you consider "low".

AM or FM may be better for different applications.
 
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