Digital on FRS / GMRS??

[CaptDan]

Not sure where in Florida you are hearing this - but below is a post by a GMRS user in northern Florida, a bit north west of Ocala - near the Georgia border.

If your travels bring you thru Dunnellon Florida area - feel free to give me a shout - usually monitor GMRS 16

I am not saying I agree with anything he is doing just sharing something he has posted. Some people just do whatever they feel like, and apparently don't care to hide it.

This system has been upgraded to ASTRO P25 Encryption.Repeater is for family and farm use. I am the sole owner and operator of this repeater under my license XXXXXXX. This repeater is a QUANTAR™ Motorola UHF P25 repeater and so are the rest of the repeaters in this system. All of the radios in this system have been changed to Mototola APX 7000's and APX 7500's. We also have some APX 7000EX radios for farm use. Right now the system is in P25 Convential Encryption. We are curently working on building a P25 Phase II trunking system and we will be using all of GMRS. The system will soon cover all of east north Florida.

 

[BaofengScanner]

That is one of those very few and far between cases. I am sure they didn't pay the whole $30,000. That's extremely too much for using a walkie talkie. As much trouble we are in as a nation and we are worried about the frequencies that some business is using. I believe that is way to much. As a nation we have way more important things to worry about, than someones radio. Good lord. LOL

Exactly people rage post some invalid rare example to try and radio police scare you. I don't get the childish immaturity of HAM sometimes. Oh well most the GMRS users in my area are pretty well behaved so I don't have to worry. As for the 30k too much novone pays it, other than it being unenforceable it's also always reduced down to less than 1k or just dropped completely but like you said and we all experienced many times nothing gets done as the FCC has more imoortant things to spend time on.

 

[KG7PBS]

Not sure where in Florida you are hearing this - but below is a post by a GMRS user in northern Florida, a bit north west of Ocala - near the Georgia border.

If your travels bring you thru Dunnellon Florida area - feel free to give me a shout - usually monitor GMRS 16

I am not saying I agree with anything he is doing just sharing something he has posted. Some people just do whatever they feel like, and apparently don't care to hide it.

This system has been upgraded to ASTRO P25 Encryption.Repeater is for family and farm use. I am the sole owner and operator of this repeater under my license XXXXXXX. This repeater is a QUANTAR™ Motorola UHF P25 repeater and so are the rest of the repeaters in this system. All of the radios in this system have been changed to Mototola APX 7000's and APX 7500's. We also have some APX 7000EX radios for farm use. Right now the system is in P25 Convential Encryption. We are curently working on building a P25 Phase II trunking system and we will be using all of GMRS. The system will soon cover all of east north Florida.

Wow the FCC will love you when your all dun with the system, hell they may even use your radios for field use after they tack it all and fine you $$$$$$$$$

 

[SCPD]

Maybe you can get away with one or two conv gmrs channels using digital in boonies all time maybe half time in small area but to use phase 2 equipment across entire gmrs is asking for complaints and a house call. It's possible the user is lying.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Maybe you can get away with one or two conv gmrs channels using digital in boonies all time maybe half time in small area but to use phase 2 equipment across entire gmrs is asking for complaints and a house call. It's possible the user is lying.

A Phase II system would be very noticeable.

 

[gewecke]

Exactly people rage post some invalid rare example to try and radio police scare you. I don't get the childish immaturity of HAM sometimes. Oh well most the GMRS users in my area are pretty well behaved so I don't have to worry. As for the 30k too much novone pays it, other than it being unenforceable it's also always reduced down to less than 1k or just dropped completely but like you said and we all experienced many times nothing gets done as the FCC has more imoortant things to spend time on.

Wow, are you EVER sadly misinformed! Do some research and you'll find out how wrong you really are. . 73,
n9zas

 

[Jaxco]

Wow, are you EVER sadly misinformed! Do some research and you'll find out how wrong you really are. . 73,
n9zas

this....

I am shocked by the number of people that think that because others are doing the same thing that it is somehow OK to break the law.

Plus as far as the fcc having the 'time' for a HT user - we are talking about the same government that will spend $1.5M to recover a 30 cent tax debt. The government is a horrible steward of money and very territorial and even predatory in terms of wielding power - combine those factors and you could end up with a huge problem if you run afoul of them.

 

[03msc]

Wow, are you EVER sadly misinformed! Do some research and you'll find out how wrong you really are. . 73,
n9zas

this....

I am shocked by the number of people that think that because others are doing the same thing that it is somehow OK to break the law.

Plus as far as the fcc having the 'time' for a HT user - we are talking about the same government that will spend $1.5M to recover a 30 cent tax debt. The government is a horrible steward of money and very territorial and even predatory in terms of wielding power - combine those factors and you could end up with a huge problem if you run afoul of them.

Exactly. I bet those people who have had to pay those large "fine bills" only wish what BaofengScanner said was true...not to mention that he seemed to suggest that GMRS users are more mature and knowledgeable than Ham radio operators (who passed a test to get the license...). :roll:

 

[Jaxco]

I have an AE license - yet I bought an overpriced GMRS license because you don't break laws just because you disagree with them or others break the law. The correct syntax is to obey the law while working to change the law through the legal process. I have helped roll back some restrictions to our town's ordinances, so the legal process may be slow but it does work if you make a convincing case.

 

[KD8DVR]

Exactly people rage post some invalid rare example to try and radio police scare you. I don't get the childish immaturity of HAM sometimes. Oh well most the GMRS users in my area are pretty well behaved so I don't have to worry. As for the 30k too much novone pays it, other than it being unenforceable it's also always reduced down to less than 1k or just dropped completely but like you said and we all experienced many times nothing gets done as the FCC has more imoortant things to spend time on.

I don't see anything childish or immature about Amateur Radio operators. There is nothing childish or immature about people who advocate following rules. The childish or immature people are those who advocate breaking the rules.

 

[KD8DVR]

Not sure where in Florida you are hearing this - but below is a post by a GMRS user in northern Florida, a bit north west of Ocala - near the Georgia border.

If your travels bring you thru Dunnellon Florida area - feel free to give me a shout - usually monitor GMRS 16

I am not saying I agree with anything he is doing just sharing something he has posted. Some people just do whatever they feel like, and apparently don't care to hide it.

This system has been upgraded to ASTRO P25 Encryption.Repeater is for family and farm use. I am the sole owner and operator of this repeater under my license XXXXXXX. This repeater is a QUANTAR™ Motorola UHF P25 repeater and so are the rest of the repeaters in this system. All of the radios in this system have been changed to Mototola APX 7000's and APX 7500's. We also have some APX 7000EX radios for farm use. Right now the system is in P25 Convential Encryption. We are curently working on building a P25 Phase II trunking system and we will be using all of GMRS. The system will soon cover all of east north Florida.

Absolutely assured of a huge fine. Pretty much everything in his system is illegal. I'll be waiting to see the FCC action on this one. I really hope he's not being serious and is just trying to stir the pot. That one is too unbelievable to be true.

 

[KD8DVR]

I don't think anyone mentioned anything about "apocalypse scenarios"...and what's with this "whacker" stuff? I think this term is WAY overused, and is not applicable in this case.

Being one of the Noble Hamsexy folks, I can agree. Whacker is not applicable in this case. "Tinfoil Hattist" would be more applicable.

 

[Jaxco]

I suspect Capt. Dan is trolling, quite possibly having quite a chuckle over this. Not that I ever object to a little bit of harmless, humorous trolling now and then. :-D

 

[prcguy]

If there is any question of the FCC going after GMRS infractions I can tell you they do. I know of a GMRS repeater that went haywire and broadcast nearly continuously for a long period of time, covering up other repeaters on the same channel. After many complaints the FCC actually drove to the repeater site but could not identify the specific antenna or system that was causing the problems.

Word got out that the FCC was involved and the repeater owner yanked the equipment in the middle of the night before the FCC drove to the site the next day. I believe the repeater owners license had expired and I'm not sure why the FCC could not figure out how to ID the antenna or system in question. I also believe the broken repeater had a Morse code ID and if so that would not say much for the FCCs field tactics. Anyway, the FCC will respond to GMRS problems if people complain.
prcguy

 

[Jaxco]

The 'apocalypse scenario' does not have to be widespread to be very real - not a departure from reality. I saw it here for a full day when a train derailed a few miles from me and leaked a great deal of chlorine gas, killing 2 people that I knew and about 10 others.

To a SMALL degree witnessed it a few days ago as NCS of an active SKYWARN Net when 3 tornadoes came through our area - 1 EF-0 and 2 EF-2s, the two EF-2's stayed on the ground over 3.5 miles. Our Amateur Radio Club president had a tree hit his house. To small areas, it was apocalyptic and disorganized during the event and shortly thereafter.

Did you listen to the Baltimore police scanner feed Monday night? A great example of a localized apocalyptic situation'.

There are varying degrees.

Link to video with Chris, our club president after the tornado: UPDATE: Third tornado confirmed after Sunday storm

 

[RayAir]

Another side of that story is amateur radio should remain analog only and digital should only be for commercial services. There are a ton of older hams (who have been in the game since the FM revolution) who are that resilient to change. Also the guys that complain for weeks when a pl gets implemented on a 20 year old repeater.

In reality, GMRS is a spinoff of a part 90 commercial service. Business can be conducted over the service…so the real question is should the FCC continue to hinder a service that was once at the leading edge of communications tech (and in many areas GMRS repeater's were found years prior to amateurs even trying FM in the same areas)?


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I think digital was a godsend to help revive amateur radio and modernize it.

Digital is taking over everything. In my area about 70%+ of all 70cm comm's are DMR (MotoTRBO, local and linked).
Part of amateur radio is, well, being knowledgeable about radio and learning new things. Digital fits that bill.

 

[Jaxco]

Digital is great, I am an avid DSTAR & DMR user but it has flaws, they cannot communicate with other digital protocols.

Digital GMRS is silly quite frankly because of the limited range of the band and the number of channels provided for use and the expense that digital would add to that limited gear.

I personally think every Amateur Radio club should get an appropriate license and operate at least one GMRS repeater, I think it is an excellent way to spark someone's interest in Amateur Radio and practice proper technique and repeater etiquette before moving on to a HAM license. My old lady will never, ever take a HAM license exam but she will key up on GMRS and since it covers the whole family it could be a great 'breeding ground' for future HAMs.

Just remember the KISS rule.

 

[N9NRA]

Digital is great, I am an avid DSTAR & DMR user but it has flaws, they cannot communicate with other digital protocols.

Digital GMRS is silly quite frankly because of the limited range of the band and the number of channels provided for use and the expense that digital would add to that limited gear.

I personally think every Amateur Radio club should get an appropriate license and operate at least one GMRS repeater, I think it is an excellent way to spark someone's interest in Amateur Radio and practice proper technique and repeater etiquette before moving on to a HAM license. My old lady will never, ever take a HAM license exam but she will key up on GMRS and since it covers the whole family it could be a great 'breeding ground' for future HAMs.

Just remember the KISS rule.

I kinda like that idea of ham radio clubs having a GMRS machine as well as the regular ham ones, that way ya could have a repeater to use as a second channel for the Skywarn net or for running training nets for those wanting to learn how to run a net or do Skywarn. Only hangup i could see is the licensing thingy, could a club even legally get a GMRS license, and second, would the license cover everyone in the club or just the family of (for example) the repeater trustee? Intresting idea there though. N9NRA

 

[rapidcharger]

Not sure where in Florida you are hearing this - but below is a post by a GMRS user in northern Florida, a bit north west of Ocala - near the Georgia border.

If your travels bring you thru Dunnellon Florida area - feel free to give me a shout - usually monitor GMRS 16

I am not saying I agree with anything he is doing just sharing something he has posted. Some people just do whatever they feel like, and apparently don't care to hide it.

This system has been upgraded to ASTRO P25 Encryption.Repeater is for family and farm use. I am the sole owner and operator of this repeater under my license XXXXXXX. This repeater is a QUANTAR™ Motorola UHF P25 repeater and so are the rest of the repeaters in this system. All of the radios in this system have been changed to Mototola APX 7000's and APX 7500's. We also have some APX 7000EX radios for farm use. Right now the system is in P25 Convential Encryption. We are curently working on building a P25 Phase II trunking system and we will be using all of GMRS. The system will soon cover all of east north Florida.

LOL. GMRS 16? Where is that, in 700mhz? GMRS doesn't have 16 channels to begin with.

 

[rapidcharger]

Digital GMRS is silly quite frankly because of the limited range of the band and the number of channels provided for use and the expense that digital would add to that limited gear.

I'm surprised you think so.
The limited range of the band makes digital that much more useful for eliminating static.
dPMR446 radios used overseas aren't prohibitively expensive.