Listening to THAT, as I'm traveling to find repeaters, NNNNNNNNNOPE!!!!!!!!
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Digital voice on GMRS
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Wow. So bitter and angry. First of all, the purpose of MY repeaters are not to assist or help YOU in any way shape or form. Secondly, I offered a solution to have an analog repeater and a digital one, so you and other old-timer, backward thinking relics could still enjoy antiquated technology. I don't have to do that, but I do it so others don't feel left out. Even while trying to make sure everyone gets their way, I get people like you who kick scream and yell that I'm harming them in some way. No good deed goes unpunished...
That is true. And when EVERYONE says the same thing, you'll have CHAOS!!!!!!!!!
That works NICE...on the HAM BANDS!!!!! And yes, I LIKE IT!!!!!!
You're NOT harming me!!!...just harming GMRS. Again, REREAD the metro areas comment.
That's a ridiculous strawman. Allowing digital isn't going to allow any more "loopholes" than analog FM. And as mentioned before, a TDMA digital repeater can run on one frequency instead of two, which would reduce congestion, not increase it.
And 640K should be enough for anybody.
bill4long
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Here's the pragmatic reality...
If you want to use DMR on GMRS (or any other frequency) on talkies or mobiles that are not in a fixed location, and you're never very long in any particular location, then you are in the clear. Nothing the FCC can do about it. Nothing God can do about it, maybe. (hi hi.) Setting up a fixed station for any length of time station is leaving youself wide open to FCC issues, esp if someone complains. That's the real world.
If you want to use DMR on GMRS (or any other frequency) on talkies or mobiles that are not in a fixed location, and you're never very long in any particular location, then you are in the clear. Nothing the FCC can do about it. Nothing God can do about it, maybe. (hi hi.) Setting up a fixed station for any length of time station is leaving youself wide open to FCC issues, esp if someone complains. That's the real world.
I think other legit GMRS users would take action if that happens. Quick story, when I first got into GMRS in So Cal I had a site and equipment partner and we had several major mountain top GMRS sites. There was a local hospital that used GMRS for their security that was grandfathered in but with some pressure from my partner they agreed to get a Part 90 license. Months went by and he would call getting the run around that their radio company was slow or its not in the budget to change out just yet, always something.
After nearly a year my friend went to the hospital with a hand truck, went to the top floor and looked around then asked someone where the radio equipment was and I think an employee had to open a room for him. My friend then identified the repeater, tore it all out and dumped it in the office of the guy he was dealing with.
That's how you deal with sneaky loophole finders.
After nearly a year my friend went to the hospital with a hand truck, went to the top floor and looked around then asked someone where the radio equipment was and I think an employee had to open a room for him. My friend then identified the repeater, tore it all out and dumped it in the office of the guy he was dealing with.
That's how you deal with sneaky loophole finders.
Transmission mode has nothing to do with the ethics or decency of the person(s) keying the mic.
And griping about the balkanization of GMRS that would happen if digital was allowed sounds an awful lot like an entitled crybaby whining because he won't be able to use any repeater he feels like anymore. Never mind that most analog FM GMRS repeaters are privately owned and private, and require permission from the owner before using them. Allowing digital won't change that.
And griping about the balkanization of GMRS that would happen if digital was allowed sounds an awful lot like an entitled crybaby whining because he won't be able to use any repeater he feels like anymore. Never mind that most analog FM GMRS repeaters are privately owned and private, and require permission from the owner before using them. Allowing digital won't change that.
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But the FREQUENCIES belong to EVERYBODY who PAID TO USE THEM.
Digital will be nothing but noise to an analog receiver, essentially making them unusable on that frequency. Now multiply that to however many repeaters are in a given area. It is not far fetched to assume that in densely populated areas all the repeater frequencies will be basically garbage to an analog radio. How does that benefit all the license holders?
This thread cannot possibly exemplify and make any more clear as to WHY digital modes will not, and should not be allowed. Do you really think the FCC wants to come babysit all those who want DMR in one camp and those who want P25 in another if a mode is permitted? They don't want any part of this **** show, and I don't blame them. If one digital mode is allowed, then why not 2? 4? 8? Lets just use them all.
bill4long
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Not if you employ CTCSS or DCS.
How does it benefit license holders when closed repeaters exist on those frequencies? Nobody has the right to use a given repeater, nor the right to be free from interference from a given repeater. Digital changes nothing.
Personally I favor DMR because of the two slot situation that effectively doubles the number of voice channels, and simplex repeaters are doable on a single frequency. At any rate, I don't how "babysitting" by the FCC would be required in any case. Repeater operators are self-regulating already and generally have no problem self-coordinating with each other. Digital changes nothing.
Interference from other users on the same frequency is no more or less of an issue, regardless of whether analog or digital is used. Doubling the number of talkpaths per frequency has an obvious benefit in RF-congested areas. You're arguing to make the congestion problem worse, not better.
And CTCSS/DCS is a simple solution for analog/digital coexistence. Most repeaters and simplex users already use them, so that objection is irrelevant.
NC1
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The last 2 replies are exactly why the FCC is not going to touch this any time soon, it's a **** show and they want no part of it.
It's analog, get used to it - or get a private business frequency pair. Those are the options for a long time to come as far as I see.
It's analog, get used to it - or get a private business frequency pair. Those are the options for a long time to come as far as I see.
NC1
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I'm not the one complaining about congestion. There are 7 active repeaters around here and are working flawlessly. They sit idle 90% of the time, so I don't see how having 2 channels per repeater would be of any benefit. They are all analog and open, so anybody can use it.
My question would be why do you find analog so difficult? If it does not meet your needs in a satisfactory manner, why bother with GMRS at all? If it needs to change for you to be happy with it, then I may point out you are using the wrong service. Changing it to fit your desires and ideals may not be beneficial to the other 95% of the license holders.
To be frank, some of us don't care about other license holders and we want digital. That may not sound warm and fuzzy, but its how the world turns. Newer technology comes along, you embrace it or your left out and covered up by digital buzzzzzzzz.
HF AM folks didn't like it when SSB came along. Too bad and 99% of amateur HF is now SSB and AM is the bastard child band width hog.
HF AM folks didn't like it when SSB came along. Too bad and 99% of amateur HF is now SSB and AM is the bastard child band width hog.
NC1
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But the other license holders have the same legal right to those frequencies, EQUALLY, and the FCC has the final say. It's going to be analog for a very long time, get used to and embrace it.
Basically you'll have to find another service to play with.
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Yup; There is a much better chance the FCC would agree to grandfather/permit analog Part 90 radios into GMRS since they left the door open for that.
NC1
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I SHOULD SAY!!!!!! Maybe a good service to try is....AMATEUR RADIO!!
WHO'S WE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
But they have already granted experimental licenses for digital on GMRS. My friend that had lunch with an FCC person a few years ago was told to go ahead and apply for an experimental license and they will grant it and use information gained for possible future rule changes. Its going to happen and not in 2052.
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