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DMR Questions

TailGator911

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Two quick questions...

1) How can you tell if a DMR system is using RAS? Is this information listed in the ULS Licensing System? The reason I ask is some DMR systems I can hear on my SDS100 but not on my AnyTone 878.

2) Is this link being updated at all?

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alcahuete

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1) How can you tell if a DMR system is using RAS? Is this information listed in the ULS Licensing System? The reason I ask is some DMR systems I can hear on my SDS100 but not on my AnyTone 878.
No. The FCC is not informed about RAS. No reason to, as it isn't part of the license, any more than encryption is, etc.

The biggest hint is that you are picking it up on your scanner but not the Anytone. Sounds like RAS to me.
 

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Here is the response that I received from Anytone on the subject and this is why the Anytone Radios won't receive a DMR signal with RAS.

Thank you for the information. Sorry to tell you, we were informed by Motorola the RAS feature is not available for our license with Motorola.

Motorola Solutions' proprietary Restricted Access to System (RAS) feature is not available for license.
 

TailGator911

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So, the casual interloper might invest in a DMR radio because he knows his local system target is DMR, only to be rebuffed by the RAS feature. The same end result for a scanner listener as encryption - you just can't hear it. Is this seen as an option for sys admins to implement as an alternative to DMR encryption? I am curious as to the financial options for network admins - E vs RAS - which is more affordable and why? Am I asking too many questions? Just new to DMR, folks. It has opened the door to a fresh new aspect of ham radio, and a brand new world for me. I have a pigtail lead to my 878 from my AR-270b 2m/440 rooftop antenna and all I can say is wow.
 

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Is this seen as an option for sys admins to implement as an alternative to DMR encryption? I am curious as to the financial options for network admins - E vs RAS - which is more affordable and why?
No, they are two entirely different things. RAS is used to keep unauthorized users off the system. If your radio doesn't have a matching key (or Radio ID, or both), you cannot transmit on the system, and with most radios (aside from scanners), you cannot listen either.

Encryption obscures the communications entirely, for both radios and scanners, but does nothing to keep unauthorized users off the system.

Used together, they work very well.
 

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RAS is to keep unauthorized/unwanted subscribers from utilizing a DMR conventional repeater or DMR trunked system. Nothing more or less. As stated, contrary to popularly spread misinformation, RAS CAN be utilized on part 97 as it is NOT encryption nor "obscure the meaning of transmissions" which is prohibited, it just keeps a repeater essentially private/exclusive access to only those who have the RAS key but the voice traffic is 100 percent "in the clear" as evidenced by it being monitored on a scanner, SDR, etc.

It is proprietary to MotoTRBO subscribers. It is closed repeater owner's dream.
 

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Is this seen as an option for sys admins to implement as an alternative to DMR encryption? I am curious as to the financial options for network admins - E vs RAS - which is more affordable and why?
RAS intention is to keep unauthorized subscribers from accessing a repeater. Encryption is intended to keep unwanted eavesdropping of communications.
 
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