DMR trunked or ??

[scosgt]

I am listening to 452.3875. It is a company, and it comes up as TGID 101, but also shows a slot and color. I am scanning as conventional. I can not find a DMR trunked system this belongs to. In fact, I have about 10 Freqs listed to this company, but none of them come back to a local trunk system - I am in New York, there is a DMR system in State that uses some of these freqs, but the closest site is listed as upstate, without a doubt too far for me to hear.

So is this a DMR thing, it shows a TGID on a conventional freq?

These are the ones I am looking at, none seem to come back to a LOCAL trunk system, although the list looks to me like a UHF trunked system.

451.875000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
452.387500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
461.900000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
463.712500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
451.237500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.437500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.462500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.487500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.587500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.612500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.875000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.087500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.162500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.387500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.512500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.237500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.462500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.487500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.587500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.875000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.087500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.162500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.387500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.512500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
461.900000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
463.712500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
466.900000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
468.712500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR

 

[ecps92]

The FCC ID of "IG" generally indicates Conventional not Trunked

DMR as does P25, uses TG's on conventional Frequencies.

BTW only 4 of the Freqs are (FB2) Repeaters, the others are simplex or inputs to the Repeater

I am listening to 452.3875. It is a company, and it comes up as TGID 101, but also shows a slot and color. I am scanning as conventional. I can not find a DMR trunked system this belongs to. In fact, I have about 10 Freqs listed to this company, but none of them come back to a local trunk system - I am in New York, there is a DMR system in State that uses some of these freqs, but the closest site is listed as upstate, without a doubt too far for me to hear.

So is this a DMR thing, it shows a TGID on a conventional freq?

These are the ones I am looking at, none seem to come back to a LOCAL trunk system, although the list looks to me like a UHF trunked system.

451.875000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
452.387500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
461.900000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
463.712500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 40FB2 IG",DMR
451.237500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.437500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.462500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.487500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.587500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.612500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
451.875000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.087500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.162500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.387500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
452.512500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.237500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.462500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.487500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.587500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
456.875000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.087500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.162500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.387500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
457.512500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
461.900000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
463.712500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
466.900000,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR
468.712500,"ALLIED BARTON SECURITY SERVICES 5MO IG",DMR

 

[troymail]

Yes - IG says it's conventional (but I find that the fcc license data is not 100% accurate or guaranteed). Some DMR conventional channels do exhibit TGIDs and others do not. I think (but am not certain) the frequency/channel and slot can be dedicated to a use and/or the system owner can establish multiple (sub) talkgroups on the same frequency.

On the other hand, as mentioned, just because the license says conventional does mean the system/use of the frequencies is not trunked....

 

[scosgt]

Thank you!

 

[CqDx]

Since we are on this subject, I have noticed on more than few instances where Capacity Plus is used but the FCC license shows conventional only. Though for Connect Plus system they seems to do a better job at changing their license type to trunked

 

[IAmSixNine]

At least yours shows DMR. Theres a company here in Dallas that has several DMR connect plus systems licensed with CP - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) yet when i look at other radio shops they show the correct info. Im not a licensing expert so how can this shop use this Part 22 Paging stuff and run a DMR UHF system on it.

ULS License - Part 22 VHF/UHF Paging (excluding 931MHz) License - WPVE438 - Hopper, James T

 

[troymail]

There is a fairly large, regional, multi-site commercial system ([re]sells service) in my area that is DMR but the license only indicates analog.... the only way you'd find it would be to search... I've on occasion loaded all of the licensed business frequencies in my area to look and see if they've switched to digital....

 

[nd5y]

Im not a licensing expert so how can this shop use this Part 22 Paging stuff and run a DMR UHF system on it.

Auctioned market area paging licenses can be used for almost anything including public safety systems. There is more info and links about it at Part 22 Paging Channels - The RadioReference Wiki.

 

[ecps92]

Many bought them, only to sell out for a nice Auction profit.

Up this way (New England) we have Public Safety as well as Utilities using them

Auctioned market area paging licenses can be used for almost anything including public safety systems. There is more info and links about it at Part 22 Paging Channels - The RadioReference Wiki.

 

[ecps92]

Sadly, most can be passed back to Pi$$-Poor Radio Shops failing to make the updates to the ULS. Just like so many others still operating on expired licenses.

Yes - IG says it's conventional (but I find that the fcc license data is not 100% accurate or guaranteed). Some DMR conventional channels do exhibit TGIDs and others do not. I think (but am not certain) the frequency/channel and slot can be dedicated to a use and/or the system owner can establish multiple (sub) talkgroups on the same frequency.

On the other hand, as mentioned, just because the license says conventional does mean the system/use of the frequencies is not trunked....

 

[IAmSixNine]

Thanks for the part 22 info. Learned something new today..

Sweet.. Now that i learned something new i can take the rest of the day off..

LOL