Do you know what it costs? Guess!

[ElroyJetson]

Guess what the LIST price is, in the current M/A-Com catalog, for this radio configured as follows:


M/A-Com P7100IP System model, 800 MHz, direct FM, intrinsically safe, with AES encryption and these options:

P25 trunking, provoice, edacs trunking, P25 CAI, and conventional operation

Aegis and 64-bit DVE encryption

direct frequency entry
800 systems/groups
proscan
profile
priority system scan
status/message
radio textlink
edacs data
edacs security key (ESK)
P25 OTAR
P25 data

This would be pretty close to the all-singing, all-dancing wonder-radio of the M/A-Com world,
short of OpenSky which apparently doesn't work worth a damn anyway. :/

Guess the LIST price for this radio! Just the radio as configured, no battery, no antenna, no belt clip,
nothing else.

The answer may shock you.


Elroy

 

[Chris-KH2PM]

4,500 smackers?

 

[ElroyJetson]

I'll give the answer after a few more guesses, or at the end of the day.


Elroy

 

[Jim41]

Guess = $6,100

 

[xpawel15x]

21,000

What do I win? What do i win!?

 

[rmiles]

Guess what the LIST price is, in the current M/A-Com catalog, for this radio configured as follows:


M/A-Com P7100IP System model, 800 MHz, direct FM, intrinsically safe, with AES encryption and these options:

HT7170T81A-IS2: $3055.00

P25 trunking, provoice, edacs trunking, P25 CAI, and conventional operation

MAHT-PKGPP: $2395.00

Aegis and 64-bit DVE encryption

HTVE: $800.00 (it's VGE encryption)

direct frequency entry

HTPL7K: $105.00

800 systems/groups

HTPL3R: $205.00

proscan

HTPL1X: $305.00

profile

HTPL5K: $305.00
Or you could order HTEN Extended Network Package which includes Max sys/grps, ProScan and ProFile: $550.00

priority system scan

HTPL1Y: $105.00

status/message

HTTS: $105.00

radio textlink

Included with above HTTS:

edacs data

HTPL3X: $205.00

edacs security key (ESK)

HTPL7G:$105.00 (Also gives you P25 Personality Lock)

P25 OTAR

HTPL5L: $650.00

P25 data

HTPL7P: $205.00

This would be pretty close to the all-singing, all-dancing wonder-radio of the M/A-Com world,
short of OpenSky which apparently doesn't work worth a damn anyway. :/

Which the P7100 won't do anyway

You forgot to add;
FIPS 140-2 Operation for AES, HTFP:$ 305.00
Immersible Radio Operation, HTMR: $230.00
Industry Canada Certification, HTEC1A: $5.00

Guess the LIST price for this radio! Just the radio as configured, no battery, no antenna, no belt clip,
nothing else.

The answer may shock you.

$8715.00 (but I cheated)

What do I win??

 

[mitaux8030]

Hehe, I remember when building an Ericsson super-node AXE, we got quite excited browsing the catalogue to find an item LESS than $100... it was a plastic lever from a cabinet door latch...!
Though Nokia are no better... $2000 for one stick of "special" Nokia RAM, 128Mb back in late 2005... the entire installations warranty & support would have been invalidated if we didn't use genuine Nokia bits... and we peeled off the sticker of one and saw a Samsung OEM sticker underneath.

My guess would have been in the vicinity of $5k-$6k... oh well.

 

[ElroyJetson]

I knew you had that data. I sort of expected you not to answer.


I had to refigure. I had duped the 800 sys/group option, and ended up with 9385. Take off 800 bucks or so.


Hey, figure this one out: What's a "40 option" radio worth "by the book"? Just ignore the options that aren't listed for 7100s.

And here are two "real world" radios, which I have in my possession right now.

Radio #1: UHF low split (380-430) 7150 scan model, with the following:

128 sys/group, 255 trunked systems, 65535 conventional channels, intrinsically safe and immersible.
Options
1 -Conventional Priority Scan
4 -Group scan
7 -Dynamic regroup (Edacs)
8 -Emergency operation (Edacs)
9 -T99 Encode (Two-tone paging encode)
10 -Conventional emergency operation
12 -AEGIS Digital Voice
14 -DES encrypted calls
23 -Narrow Band Operation
29 -IMBE vocoder operation (ProVoice)
33 -P-25 digital voice operation
37 -AES Encryption (P-25 only)
39 -P25 Trunking


List price: $5280

Second radio:

800 MHz 7170 system model, intrinsically safe

65535 sys/group
255 trunked systems
65535 conventional channels

Options
1 -Conventional Priority Scan
4 -Group scan
5 -Priority system scan
6 -Wide area system scan & ProScan (Edacs)
7 -Dynamic regroup (Edacs)
8 -Emergency operation (Edacs)
9 -T99 Encode (Two-tone paging encode)
10 -Conventional emergency operation
12 -AEGIS Digital Voice
14 -DES encrypted calls
17 -Status/Message operation (Edacs)
21 -ESK (Edacs Security Key)
22 -Profile Operation (Edacs)
23 -Narrow Band Operation
29 -IMBE vocoder operation (ProVoice)
38 -TextLink (Edacs only)

List price :$5755 and possibly more, as that number of systems/groups is greater than the typical "max" sys/groups package.

Neither of these radios is an engineer's toy. They were actually ordered for specific customers.


The first radio is (apparently) an EDACS HYDRA radio, as used on HYDRA systems installed on
US aircraft carriers and a number of other Naval vessels.

The second radio has the same feature set as one version of Florida SLERS statewide radio.



Elroy

 

[rmiles]

I knew you had that data. I sort of expected you not to answer.

Sorry, I couldn't resist! It's just too ridiculous to fathom, how anyone can say M/A-Com has such a cost saving advantage over Motorola. Not when you start adding up the features! Yes, Motorola is expensive, but so is M/A-Com! At least Motorola can build a real solid radio. The M/A-Com radios have such a cheesy feel to them. I have yet to find an Ericsson/GE, M/A-Com radio that comes close to being as rugged or well build as any of the professional grade Motorola's. The only one that comes close is the M-PD, IMHO.

 

[ElroyJetson]

I completely agree. I've had my fingers in enough of both models to know this all too well.

M/A-Com has Kyocera and JRC build radios for them. But they're only built.

Motorola's radios are ENGINEERED.

Look inside both and you see two very different schools of thought. The Motorola approach is more
expensive in terms of manufacturing and more rugged and reliable as well.


Elroy