DSD Plus 2.39 Issue? Anyone else

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Question for people. After getting 2.39 I'm having a problem with false TGs showing up.

At first it was just two to four that would pop up but a few days ago when I ran the program it came up with twenty-eight (28) non-existent talk groups added to the groups file.

On one of them it was talk group 800 when traffic actually occurred on talk group 769.

It is the STARS statewide P25 P1 system in Virginia. Nothing has changed in terms of programming or files. Tower used is same as has been used for a long time. System is fully mapped out and its extremely unlikely there are ANY new talk groups but definitely not twenty eight in a short amount of time. Signal is excellent as this is a close site so its not a poor signal issue.

Any ideas? Maybe something I needed to do with new version vs old versions which I didn't do? Or something else.

Was wondering if anyone else was having this issue and maybe, hopefully, solved it. Not a big issue just annoying having to go in and delete them all after each run.
 

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I have noticed that some tg's that show up in dsd do not match what unitrunker shows. I have seen calls start on bogus tg's and revert to the correct ones.

Thought it was just me.

DSDPlus 2.39 fastlane
 

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I've never seen any of this show up in the display windows and there are never recordings of it except for that one TG 800 instance where the unit and then dispatch reply got recorded.

I was in the same boat wondering if it was just me.

The only way I know about any of them is my groups go from 420 to something else in the window.
 

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What is your signal strength? I have had issues with false TGIDs or false encryption indications due to weak signals. It often happens with both false TGID and false encryption indication showing in sequence. Often it is related to a local transmitted interfering with the signal rather than distant/weak signals.

You could always send off a recording if it is often enough to catch it.

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I've experienced both issues. It occurs when the signal strength of the transmitting station is too weak rather than the repeater. Pretty obvious what it is when it occurs and not much to worry about.

I am quite happy with DSD+ FL and very grateful to the author for maintaining the project.
 

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As I said in my original post the signal strength is excellent. There is no way that is the issue. What I'm seeing is new with the release. I've never had the problem before, ever.

I've also put different towers in in the past which were much farther away, some with very low signal strength and never had this issue. Most I ever got was wrong NAC occasionally.

The site is a powerhouse and covers a huge area plus its less than ten miles away. Even when I had antenna problems last year it picked up that while it lost other sites.

So its not a reception issue. Nothing has changed environmentally either so no interference issues.
 
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Another bug I've found:
some TG show ENC but are not encrypted at all. I can hear audio.
I've seen that at times as well. Just forgot about it. Usually for me it starts off normal but then in mid transmission shows encrypted when I know its not encrypted.

We only had one trooper who for some strange reason always kept his radio encrypted but he disappeared a long time ago and no one else does outside of a few on SEB tacs.

Occasionally though it will start and stay showing encrypted on open TGs.

Its not every transmission though just sometimes. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason why it does it though.
 

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Been playing around and right now I have Unitrunker and my 436hp running and they show the normal tg's associated with the system I monitor. Unitrunker piped to dsd is interesting however. Unitrunker shows the regular tg's that are on the system, and dsd shows some of those and false ones too. My 436 is running with proscan and been logging all day. It shows regular tg;'s all day long. Not one false tg.

Then ran sdrsharp into dsd and there are false tgs showing up.

Signal is fantastic. Ran a test with an amp and without an amp and it made no difference. The scanner, airspy mini and fleabay dongle all share a 800mhz tuned antenna.
 

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Did you send any raw recordings of the erroneous TGIDs coming up to the DSDPlus creator?

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A couple more things I've noticed.

Getting false RIDs too like 89449760. Lots of them

The other thing is the false TGs are only occurring for me in the VC event window. All TGs showing up in the CC Event window are accurate.

As an example 769 will show up in the CC Event window and at the same time 801 will show up in the VC event window. Can be any false TG though not just 801. Not related to CC TG either.

Been running it since about 2am and only have 22 false ones this time so far.
 

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Did you send any raw recordings of the erroneous TGIDs coming up to the DSDPlus creator?

chris
For me at least it would be next to impossible as their is no way to know when one is going to pop up. It can go from the correct one to false in the next transmission and then not have a false TG for ten minutes.
 

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Did you send any raw recordings of the erroneous TGIDs coming up to the DSDPlus creator?

chris
Chris, that thought never crossed my mind. Been pretty hectic here lately. I just hit R for that, correct? I never did that before.

Thanks

A couple more things I've noticed.

Getting false RIDs too like 89449760. Lots of them
Same here. The 5 digit rid's are the correct ones and the rest are not being seen anywhere on the system according to my 436 (that logs 24/7) and Unitrunker. They only appear in DSDPlus

Going to try the raw data thing.



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P25,       0,         1405,     24719,    50,  Normal,       2,  2017/04/20 12:40,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     24744,    50,  Normal,       1,  2017/05/01 22:38,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     24746,    50,  Normal,       3,  2017/05/01 23:08,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     24750,    50,  Normal,       8,  2017/04/27 16:30,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     24794,    50,  Normal,       2,  2017/05/01 23:09,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     25262,    50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:32,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     25267,    50,  Normal,       2,  2017/04/20 12:38,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26762,    50,  Normal,       4,  2017/04/27 16:36,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26779,    50,  Normal,      13,  2017/04/27 16:36,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26792,    50,  Normal,      51,  2017/05/01 23:32,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26794,    50,  Normal,     120,  2017/05/01 23:31,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26798,    50,  Normal,     192,  2017/04/27 16:36,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26803,    50,  Normal,     113,  2017/05/01 23:58,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     26806,    50,  Normal,      75,  2017/04/20 13:50,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     27630,    50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 12:01,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     41102,    50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:40,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     147624,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/05/01 22:38,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     147630,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:06,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     147694,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/27 16:33,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149640,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:29,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149671,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/10 23:42,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149672,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/05/01 22:33,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149674,   50,  Normal,      10,  2017/05/01 22:50,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149678,   50,  Normal,      16,  2017/04/27 16:30,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149683,   50,  Normal,      14,  2017/05/01 23:09,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149686,   50,  Normal,       8,  2017/04/20 13:36,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     149691,   50,  Normal,       8,  2017/05/01 23:08,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     155830,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 12:33,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     157866,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/05/01 23:08,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     196745,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:26,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     215214,   50,  Normal,       2,  2017/04/20 12:33,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     221354,   50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 12:20,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     4606082,  50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/27 16:18,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     4745390,  50,  Normal,       2,  2017/04/20 12:01,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     4876955,  50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:49,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     8431790,  50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:42,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     8800426,  50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 13:07,  ""
P25,       0,         1405,     12732458, 50,  Normal,       1,  2017/04/20 12:20,  ""
 

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Yes, "R" for recordings.
I agree that it is tough to try to gather the recordings if it is not something that can be predicted. He can take big files, just use a file sharing site and send a link via email.

chris
 
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