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HT1000 DTMF Keypad question on a "Railroad Model" HT1000

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I purchased what I like to call the "Railroad Model" HT1000 for my brother who works for CSX. It's the model that is 16-Channels with a full keypad and no display. CSX gave him a non-Motorola radio and he says it's junk. Anyways the radio tests fine except the keypad doesn't work and I'm thinking it's not turned on thru RSS. I looked at the code plug briefly after I read the radio but it didn't jump out at me. Question is where on RSS do you turn on or activate the keypad? Also I think you can either have the buttons transmit DTMF just by pressing them or you have to push the PTT and then press the buttons to get them to go over. I'm sure I could figure it out on my own but I'd like to write to the radio the fewest number of times.
 

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There may be a no no on using that radio on the railroad frequencies to begin with depending on the model of the Ht1000 due to the narrowbanding and NXDN of the railroad channels. Hence why the railroad dumped the Motorola and your buddy got a crappy radio. Some Ht1000 radio could do it and some couldn't. However somewhere in the options menu is where you can turn on and off the features in the radio.
 

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Clarification of previous post some could do narrowbanding and some couldn't and none could do NXDN but it's the narrowband that's the concern.
 

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Clarification of previous post some could do narrowbanding and some couldn't and none could do NXDN but it's the narrowband that's the concern.
You could be right but I didn't think CSX went to Narrowband....yet. I told him to send me what he has on his current radio so I can program it the same.
 

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I think "hot keypad" is what you're looking for in the RSS to enable dtmf with ptt. But like the comment above mine says, only 'D' versions will narrowband. Check the last 2 digits of the model number. Should be 'DN'.
 

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I purchased what I like to call the "Railroad Model" HT1000 for my brother who works for CSX.
This sounds like a bad idea for multiple reasons.

For one the HT1000 is old and most are worn out. There are plenty out there that are sufficient for Ham/Hobby usage but relying on them in a commercial environment would be a risk.

Next, would 16 channels actually be enough? If his territory includes multiple subdivisions or yards you will quickly end up needing more than 16.

Something else to consider. Class 1 railroads WILL be converting to NXDN sooner than many people think. The push to install PTC equipment brought new NXDN capable VHF bases.

If he really wants to stay with Motorola, an XPR 6550 would be a much better option. Newer, more channels, more zones, narrowband, keypad, and relatively cheap.
 
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Railroad HT1000? No display and only 16 channels, doesn't sound like a winner for 97 channel AAR. If your dead stuck on ancient motorolas and DOS programs, a full keypad MT2000's can be loaded with all AAR channels, 160 Channel capacity and crap ton of them ebay. Slap on a 12 dollar new ebay wang housing and its like new, if it doesnt have display issues
 

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You all have valid concerns that I respect. I'm just trying to get him something that is not junk and is what the railroads used to use. I'm pretty confident we can all agree /\/\ are built like tanks even the older stuff. Also I'm footing the bill (by choice) for a "Railroad Model" HT1000 with a leather case, speaker mic, cross body strap, two 2700mAh batteries & charger. Now there are better models of course but at a bit to a lot more $$$. He mentioned the "Icom" radio they gave him is junk and remembers when they gave him /\/\'s and he loved them. If he's kool with it than I'm cool with it & honestly I'm sure CSX would be none the wiser. His comment with what I was getting him was "Wow that's a nice set up thanks bro. I can't even get a nice setup like that from a billion dollar company". That's what it's all about.
 

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I've been through the "This radio is junk" thing before.
It was when I migrated our users from a Motorola trunked system to a Kenwood trunked system.

When I asked them end users that complained what the issues were, there weren't any. It was pure brand loyalty. People that do not understand radios will often blame the brand name. Motorola is believed to be better due to seeing it on TV, brand name recognition, or in some cases, previous experience. Before they changed them to the Icom's, I'm willing to bet your friend had never heard of them.
5 watts FM for a Motorola is no different from 5 watts FM from an Icom, if both are working to factory spec.
And chances are if you peeled the Icom label off and stuck a Motorola label on the radio, suddenly it would work better. Been there, done that, and it works every time.

Issue will come when they migrate to NXDN. The HT-1000 won't do that, and he'll need to have the Icom radio in hand. Make sure he hangs on to it.

If he's concerned about issues with his company issued radio, he should talk to their radio techs. They can easily put it on a service monitor and confirm it's working to factory specs. If there's a problem with the other infrastructure and other employees are complaining, then they need to let someone know so it can be fixed.

As for you programming the radio, there are several FCC Part 90 rules that would work against you.
Specifically:
90.403 says that the licensee is responsible for all radios used under their license. This is why the employ their own radio techs, to make sure everything works within the limitations of the company license. You, not working for the company, are putting an unauthorized radio on their radio system. If for some reason it didn't meet specs and caused interference to another licensed user, the company would be held responsible. They'd find the bootleg radio and start asking questions. If your buddy rats you out, then they have you by:
90.427 and 90.433, which again says that the company is responsible for maintaining radios, as in "... the responsibility of station licensees to maintain control over the stations licensed to them" and "the responsibility of station licensees to have and to maintain control over the stations licensed to them". You not being an employee of the company will get you on the wrong side of the FCC for programming frequencies into radios you are not authorized for.
Yeah, FCC isn't going to come and bust you, but if they do, it's usually expensive and they start looking at what other licenses you have.

So, just make sure your buddy doesn't rat you out if something goes wrong.

As for programming the radio….
Make sure you figure out if they use any sort of radio ID scheme, like MDC-1200, DTMF, etc. Make sure you program the new radio to match.

I'm not fooling myself into thinking anything I wrote above is going to change this situation, so at least make 100% sure you've programmed it all correctly and you cover all your tracks (no pun intended.)
 

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I've been through the "This radio is junk" thing before.
It was when I migrated our users from a Motorola trunked system to a Kenwood trunked system.

When I asked them end users that complained what the issues were, there weren't any. It was pure brand loyalty. People that do not understand radios will often blame the brand name. Motorola is believed to be better due to seeing it on TV, brand name recognition, or in some cases, previous experience. Before they changed them to the Icom's, I'm willing to bet your friend had never heard of them.
5 watts FM for a Motorola is no different from 5 watts FM from an Icom, if both are working to factory spec.
And chances are if you peeled the Icom label off and stuck a Motorola label on the radio, suddenly it would work better. Been there, done that, and it works every time.

Issue will come when they migrate to NXDN. The HT-1000 won't do that, and he'll need to have the Icom radio in hand. Make sure he hangs on to it.

If he's concerned about issues with his company issued radio, he should talk to their radio techs. They can easily put it on a service monitor and confirm it's working to factory specs. If there's a problem with the other infrastructure and other employees are complaining, then they need to let someone know so it can be fixed.

As for you programming the radio, there are several FCC Part 90 rules that would work against you.
Specifically:
90.403 says that the licensee is responsible for all radios used under their license. This is why the employ their own radio techs, to make sure everything works within the limitations of the company license. You, not working for the company, are putting an unauthorized radio on their radio system. If for some reason it didn't meet specs and caused interference to another licensed user, the company would be held responsible. They'd find the bootleg radio and start asking questions. If your buddy rats you out, then they have you by:
90.427 and 90.433, which again says that the company is responsible for maintaining radios, as in "... the responsibility of station licensees to maintain control over the stations licensed to them" and "the responsibility of station licensees to have and to maintain control over the stations licensed to them". You not being an employee of the company will get you on the wrong side of the FCC for programming frequencies into radios you are not authorized for.
Yeah, FCC isn't going to come and bust you, but if they do, it's usually expensive and they start looking at what other licenses you have.

So, just make sure your buddy doesn't rat you out if something goes wrong.

As for programming the radio….
Make sure you figure out if they use any sort of radio ID scheme, like MDC-1200, DTMF, etc. Make sure you program the new radio to match.

I'm not fooling myself into thinking anything I wrote above is going to change this situation, so at least make 100% sure you've programmed it all correctly and you cover all your tracks (no pun intended.)
Good info for sure & thank you for sharing it with me. I feel the physical quality of the radio is what causes him to say "it's junk". I didn't specifically ask him. I told him to provide me with what is programmed in his current radio so I can match it. I find there is usually a cheat sheet affixed to the radio. I'm sure he will but I'll let him know to hang on to his Icom. He is not into radios at all unlike me & he's my brother so I hope he wouldn't rat me out lol.
 

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You should also be a bit more discreet in the future. There was absolutely no reason for you to specifically name the railroad he works for multiple times. Given the fact that you have your ham call sign in your profile, it wouldn't be all that difficult for someone to figure out who your brother is. Pro tip: next time leave out all of the details and simply ask "Hey, how do I enable the DTMF keypad on an HT1000?"
 
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