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mmckenna
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There is decent quality MURS radios on the market. Problem is people don't want to actually -PAY- for quality gear. They spend the least amount of money possible and then gripe when it doesn't work.
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Right....so why not just more equipment for MURS? I don't see any point in adding 49MHz into the mix.
I have 4 WalMarts within line of sight of my house. I can just barely hear intermittent traffic on one of the channels. The other 4 are completely dead pretty much 24/7. My radios go with me to downtown San Diego, downtown LA, Las Vegas, there is nothing. And when there is, it's certainly not enough traffic to warrant MURS/49MHz dual band radios. Between MURS and GMRS, there are plenty of open channels. Now a dual band MURS/GMRS radio? Hmmmmmm.... 49 MHz is silly.
Some people thought the moon was made of cheese. Moving on.
bill4long
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MURS and FRS have nothing to do with each other.
MURS radios are limited to 2 watts and can use external antennas.
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FRS is limited to 2 watts, is limited to simplex, and must use the permanent antenna built-in from the factory.
GMRS is limited to 50 watts, can use external antennas, can be used with repeaters, and requires a license.
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I even have a band plan to share 53.000 MHz to 54.000 MHz between Amateurs and GMRS users...… I'm sure the online crowd will hate it.. Too bad most of 6 meters sits quiet all day long... 
Why is 49 MHz silly??? It could offer more range without a repeater of some kind...
Why is 49 MHz silly??? It could offer more range without a repeater of some kind...
prcguy
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With 5ft long whips you might get a little more range at 49MHz over FRS under some conditions but why would you want to do that?
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KN6SD
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2 watt FRS handhelds are great for local comms, but not so great when trying to communicate outside the local area... Think CERT applications...
BTW: I would prefer at least a 10 watt rms output for the 49 MHz service...
prcguy
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In a handheld? Battery life would be a problem. I have a number of 5w handhelds that will do 49MHz and 6m and their battery capacity ranges between 4.8 and 5.8AH. That's not a trivial battery.
n1das
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The antenna for a 49MHz handheld is likely to be an armpit tickler and a PITA to deal with all the time. A 5W 49MHz handheld would be a brick of a radio too. Would I consider a 49MHz dual band handheld for MURS? NO.
For the current VHF MURS, the only thing that would cause me to want to use it would be if digital modulation were allowed and digital voice formats such as P25, DMR, and NXDN were used. Same with GMRS/FRS.
I am using Motorola DTR series FHSS digital radios on 900MHz as a high quality digital replacement for GMRS/FRS and MURS for my local on-site simplex type use with family and friends. A coworker recently asked me why not just use FRS? My answer was that I have already been doing that since FRS was created in 1996 and longer than that as a GMRS licensee since 1992. I want an all-digital solution that is higher quality and more professional than FRS. Being able to secure them and not having to worry about FCC licensing and frequency coordination are bonuses. The DTRs are not monitorable on any consumer grade receiver (scanner) so don't even bother trying. I still have GMRS/FRS and MURS as backups and for interoperability (and using PL 156.7) but they are no longer my go-to modes for local on-site simplex ops. The all-digital DTRs simply work so much better for my type of use. I don't use analog mode at all anymore for my non-ham stuff.
I would come back to GMRS/FRS and MURS if digital modulation were allowed so I could use P25 and DMR but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.
mmckenna
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All the CERT teams around here use amateur. They specifically recruit hams, and run training courses so others can get their tech tickets. Some use frequencies licensed to the city they are in. My dad has been part of CERT for quite a while and they use 2 meters or for large events, the fire department loans them radios to use on some of their channels. Not sure they need a special radio service. GMRS works well for some, there's a local group near me that even put up their own GMRS repeater.
The city sponsoring a CERT team could certainly license some low band frequencies for that sort of stuff, but then there has to be someone listening for it to do any good. Setting up communications to use resources that already exist is much easier.
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KN6SD
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No HT's on my mind for 49 MHz, just Base/Mobile setups.. It would be neat if the FCC allowed crossband repeat between MURS Low Band and MURS High Band, and vice versa...
It's my understanding that not all cities love hams, some find them to be a PITA
vagrant
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This fantasy radio and antenna system would probably be huge, in particular that half a brick battery inside of it to get 10W.
That reminds me of something...
Oh, I too would enjoy some MURS/GMRS with some P25 action. Anyways, I have a Moto handheld that will handle GMRS/MURS.
That reminds me of something...
Oh, I too would enjoy some MURS/GMRS with some P25 action. Anyways, I have a Moto handheld that will handle GMRS/MURS.
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KN6SD
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Do any of you guys have antennas installed that are outdoors and bigger than 18 inches
prcguy
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I actually use a handheld on 6m and get into local repeaters with it just fine with a 1m long antenna on the radio. Its simplex radio to radio that doesn't work so well and MURS or a 4w GMRS hand held works a whole lot better.
Do any of you guys have antennas installed that are outdoors and bigger than 18 inches
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KN6SD
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I know, that's why I suggested the Crossband feature........
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U.S. 49 MHz VHF-Lo *MURS Band Plan
TX/RX Mode of Operation FM (10 Watts rms)
Channel / Frequency / Bandwidth / Recommended Use
1A. 49.6750 (20.00 kHz) Interstate Highway Channel – Long Range
2A. 49.6950 (20.00 kHz) Off Road Vehicle (4WD) channel --- Long Range
3A. 49.7150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
4A. 49.7350 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
5A. 49.7550 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
6A. 49.7750 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
7A. 49.7950 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
8A. 49.8150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
9A. 49.8400 (20.00 kHz) Emergency / Travel Assistance ONLY
10A. 49.8650 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
11A. 49.8950 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
12A. 49.9150 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
13A. 49.9350 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
14A. 49.9550 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
15A. 49.9750 (20.00 kHz) Long Range Talk Around Channel
*Multi Use Radio Service (see Title 47, Chapter I, Subchapter D, Part 95 Subpart J)
U.S. 150 MHz VHF-Hi *MURS Band Plan
TX/RX Mode of Operation FM (2 Watts rms)
Channel / Frequency / Bandwidth / Recommended Use
1B. 151.820 MHz (11.25 kHz) Short Range Talk Around Channel
2B. 151.880 MHz (11.25 kHz) Short Range Talk Around Channel
3B. 151.940 MHz (11.25 kHz) Truck / Cargo Terminals --- Calling Channel
4B. 154.570 MHz (20.00 kHz) Off Road Vehicle (4WD) channel --- Short Range
5B. 154.600 MHz (20.00 kHz) Interstate Highway Channel – Short Range
(see Title 47, Chapter I, Subchapter D, Part 95 Subpart J) Will need to be modified to include the Low Band frequencies and power level...
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