Dual (VHF/UHF) Band DMR HT?

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- That sounds like big-brother to me that I dislike right there and then, because it's nothing else but yet another digital tracking system. :(



- Gee, seriously? Wow! What a fantastic idea to stop sending out DVDs for software update! I guess they got the memo after a couple of decades! Now the price is only $200 due to this fantastic revelation! Truly impressed! LOL!!! :D



- Is that how overpriced, under-developed is described and promoted lately? Pay an unjustified amount for an un-developed system, so the developers will have the necessary funds on the back of the hobby community to actually work on something that will be useful in a few years? What "forefront of technology" are you talking about? Digital is nothing extraordinary, it's been around for decades, only the developers didn't bother to implement it into ham, perhaps because the market was/is still too small for it and the old analog system did a pretty decent job (still does as I can tell). Your opinion reminds me more of a corporate PR talk or some lobbyists trying to justify something for all the wrong reasons. DVD? LOL! That was the funniest part! Truly made me laugh! :D



If things go THIS way, then ham is going to be just another subscription type cellphone service in a few years, because once greedy shareholders get into the hobby with their personal ID based junk-services and their fees, then it will be business for profit only, nothing else. Hope the day never comes because that would be the end of ham as a "hobby", and no, I won't pay for their primitive junk-software or overrated radios and overpriced subscriptions or any other "excuses for a price" deals either. :(

Digital ham should be just a modern transition into a processor/software based solution for ham radios to replace the analog systems and not what this whole thing seems to be turning into. For all that "other" side, we already have smart devices with tons of free software, superior data transfer speeds that digital hams will never match, and all that with ton's of services and options for a lot less.

You are absolutely right; as things are right now as I see it, digital ham is definitely NOT for me. :(

It's blatantly obvious now that you are one of the hams who don't want change and can't stand it. No one is forcing you to come play. Plenty of analog systems out there still.

TDMA technology is state of the art right now for two-way communications. That's the bleeding edge. DMR/TRBO is not over priced. It's actually cost wise about the same as an analog system... W5PKY picked up a Motorola XPR 6550 for $200... A repeater can be picked up for about $1500.

Your big brother notion is no more than having a call sign and IDing every 10 minutes. That gives out a lot more info than one of my DMR-MARC ID numbers...

Software costs money because the firmware, features, options all took time for someone to develop. (Do yourself a favor and read the $8000 radio thread in the Motorola subforum)

Please, inform me what is underdeveloped and overpriced about digital technology? Motorola, Harris, and the other commercial radio manufactures don't do anything for the ham hobby. It's not their market. We just happen to adopt some of it for our use.

You know what I get from digital that I don't get with analog? Better linking, no noise, more usable range, better equipment, and that list can go one from there. I like to play with digital because the people who use things like p25 and DMR/TRBO tend to be people who work in the LMR world and are more technical and the technical side of radio is what I enjoy.
 

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Some people are just happier on their dead local repeater talking to no one. DMR is definitely the new age of amateur. There are so many more people to talk to in different areas. The last analog radio I bought cost the same as a connect systems dmr radio. I wish I had known of dmr before I made my purchase. If people want to sit with a 35 dollar Chinese radio and chat on analog and miss out it's just their loss.
 

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DStar could not be any more clunky and a horrible UI. They didn't take any time to smooth the process. They just threw something together. DMR/TRBO and P25 are really easy to program. P25 is extremely easy. To get on a P25 repeater all I need to do is enter in the two frequencies and the NAC (basically the PL tone) and I'm done. Nothing more nothing less. I gave away my Icom ID-880 because it was annoying to program compared to my Motorola gear.
As I said, if you ignore what you can do with the UrCall, D-STAR is no more difficult to program tshn other modes. The RPT2 and RPT1 entries serve the same purpose as the P25 NAC, NXDN RAN, and DMR Color Code.
 

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And not to get completely off topic, I would like to see a dual band dmr but I'm not holding my breath. At least not from a big name company. Maybe the Chinese will get a good working one out there.
 

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I'm confused. The OP of this thread asked, "Any word on anyone coming out with dual band VHF/UHF DMR handheld? Are their currently any out there?" .... and received an immediate reply that there are NONE. In fact in THIS VERY FORUM there is a thread -
http://forums.radioreference.com/digital-voice-amateur-use/323721-new-tytera-md-390-a.html
So my questions are-
- Isn't the TYT MD-390 a DMR radio?
- Did this thread go off topic somehow? Oddly enough the thread title is "Dual (VHF/UHF) Band DMR HT?"
 

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I'm confused. The OP of this thread asked, "Any word on anyone coming out with dual band VHF/UHF DMR handheld? Are their currently any out there?" .... and received an immediate reply that there are NONE. In fact in THIS VERY FORUM there is a thread -
http://forums.radioreference.com/digital-voice-amateur-use/323721-new-tytera-md-390-a.html
So my questions are-
- Isn't the TYT MD-390 a DMR radio?
- Did this thread go off topic somehow? Oddly enough the thread title is "Dual (VHF/UHF) Band DMR HT?"

I would avoid a TYT DMR radio like the plague. Unless they fixed the issues that they have they are crap radios. There are a growing number of system owners asking/telling people with TYT radios that they are not allowed to use their repeater. There is a known issue with them causing harmful interference to the opposing time slot.
 

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But wait, there's more.

I love the comments about why are there so many digital modes in ham radio.

Rest assured that once the first generation of used OpenSky radios start showing up at ham swaps and available online, hams will start putting up repeaters that use OpenSky.
Same with Tetra, an often used digital protocol in Europe. When those radios hit the used market, a niche of hams will start buying them and put up repeaters.

Would it be nice to just settle on one protocol? Sure, but probably will never happen.
First off, the used commercial gear is considerably less expensive that the new Icom and Yaesu radios.
So some people are going to buy used Mototrbo and P25 (and when it emerges, used OpenSky) over new D-Star or Fusion for that reason. And as long as Icom and Yaesu, which spend a whole lot of money on QST advertising, have their own different digital systems, the ham community will never agree to one standard.
 

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C'mon

I'm confused. The OP of this thread asked, "Any word on anyone coming out with dual band VHF/UHF DMR handheld? Are their currently any out there?" .... and received an immediate reply that there are NONE. In fact in THIS VERY FORUM there is a thread -
http://forums.radioreference.com/digital-voice-amateur-use/323721-new-tytera-md-390-a.html
So my questions are-
- Isn't the TYT MD-390 a DMR radio?
- Did this thread go off topic somehow? Oddly enough the thread title is "Dual (VHF/UHF) Band DMR HT?"

Like the thread you reference said, this radio will not be available until January. And if it runs the same gamut as other vapor DMR radios, who knows when it will be available.

I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people get all excited about these upcoming Asian DMR radios announcements. For just a few bucks more, you can forgo the wait of a radio certain to have more issues than Time Magazine, and just buy a used XPR or Hytera, today.

Or you can just be like Little Orphan Annie:
"Tomorrow, tomorrow, they'll start shipping my radio tomorrow. It's only a day away".
 

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Like the thread you reference said, this radio will not be available until January. And if it runs the same gamut as other vapor DMR radios, who knows when it will be available.

I gotta tell ya, I honestly don't know why people get all excited about these upcoming Asian DMR radios announcements. For just a few bucks more, you can forgo the wait of a radio certain to have more issues than Time Magazine, and just buy a used XPR or Hytera, today.

Or you can just be like Little Orphan Annie:
"Tomorrow, tomorrow, they'll start shipping my radio tomorrow. It's only a day away".

Exactly!
 

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I'm confused. The OP of this thread asked, "Any word on anyone coming out with dual band VHF/UHF DMR handheld? Are their currently any out there?" .... and received an immediate reply that there are NONE. In fact in THIS VERY FORUM there is a thread -
http://forums.radioreference.com/digital-voice-amateur-use/323721-new-tytera-md-390-a.html
So my questions are-
- Isn't the TYT MD-390 a DMR radio?
- Did this thread go off topic somehow? Oddly enough the thread title is "Dual (VHF/UHF) Band DMR HT?"

Yes, it's a DMR radio, but not dual band. TYT has a habit of specifying both models VHF/UHF) on one spec sheet. The MD-380 was spec'ed the same way, but it is most definitely a single-band radio.
 
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