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I just recently bought a brand new Radio Shack Pro95 out of the box. I am lost someone please help - How can I find out if a frequency is EDACS MODE of FM mode from my frequency police manual? I also read that if you have freq. in EDACS MODE they have to be in order?
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You can't tell If a particular freq is EDACS or not just by listening to it. It could be conventional, Motorola, or other systems. This site will tell you if a particular freq is EDACS. And yes, the freqs need to be in LCN, which is the order that the freqs need to be in. This site will tell you the order too. ALWAYS start with channel 1 in a bank with EDACS. Never start with channel 0.

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You can't tell If a particular freq is EDACS or not just by listening to it.

Yes, you can. The control channel has a distinctive sound unlike any other. Voice channels have four or five beeps at the end of transmission, also a unique signature.
 

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KCChiefs9690 said:
ALWAYS start with channel 1 in a bank with EDACS. Never start with channel 0.
Whereas never starting on slot 0 is correct, advising to ALWAYS start on 1 is equally incorrect. You place the LCN in the proper LCN slot. EDACS are not necessaryly in 1, 2, 3, 4, ... order, they can start anywhere and go up skipping channels. For example it may be LCN 5, 6, 9, 10, 13, 18. If you were to start loading with 1, it would not work! For it to work properly (say in bank 1 of a Pro-95) they would be in channel slots 105, 106, 109, 110, 113, & 118.

The correct advice is to place them in the correctly numbered slot according to the system LCN.
 

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Do the EDACS MODE start with the 800 freq. if they need to be in order how do you know which ones to put in order? Do any of the books say EDACS codes? I am new and trying very hard to learn and my brain is mush.
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Exactly,.. at the end of each transmission in the EDACS system, the repeaters send out a series of beeps.... Which used to foil scanners before the EDACS information was "reverse engineered" for trunking scanners. Originally the tones sounded out the GE theme.. but this was changed to the current format. The tone spacing on older GE/Ericsson systems is still simular to the old "song" tones.... On the newer M/A-Com systems the tones are more rapid.
 

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EDACS TRS's can be in any of the bands- VHF Hi, UHF, or 800/900.

Finding unknown LCN's requres a lot of patience and work. Usually if you can use 2 scanners you can follow the system and find the right LCN's.

Most known EDACS TRS's that have the LCN's found are listed here on this site.... There are still several systems that need worked out though,.. and this will become even more interesting as rebanding occurs.
 

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Terrie said:
Do the EDACS MODE start with the 800 freq. if they need to be in order how do you know which ones to put in order? Do any of the books say EDACS codes? I am new and trying very hard to learn and my brain is mush.
Terrie, don't let this stuff get to you. If you are getting the frequencies from here, you are benefitting from previous work done by other scanner enthusists. They have mapped systems for you. If you take a look at the RR Database (see the link above) you can navagate to the area of interest for you. I don't see any EDACS systems already mapped out in Phoenix, as a matter of fact I only see 1 in AZ at all, so maybe you can help by identifying and mapping the one you are listening to. :wink:
 

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Fleet Map

How does someone learn how to fleet map I have the Win95 VOO.13 and on this program is Fleet Map - then it has DEC HEX AFS??? Is there any place that tell me how to use even this program?
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Re: Fleet Map

Terrie said:
How does someone learn how to fleet map I have the Win95 VOO.13 and on this program is Fleet Map - then it has DEC HEX AFS??? Is there any place that tell me how to use even this program?
Thank you for all your help.
Fleetmaps are a way that motorola divides up the trunking system. It really is only important in Type I or Hybrid systems. Type II Motorola systems are all ... well Type II which is the default for Win95. Forget HEX and AFS, worry only about the DEC which is decimal and the numbers we use here in the DB.

Attached is a screen shot of a setup for the Washington County / Clackamas County System in Oregon. Compare the picture with the system at that link and see if you can figure out the different elements. Really, Win95 is pretty easy, but the Trunking terms may have a bit of a learning curve. :)
 

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ID's

One more question Where did you get the ID numbers?
Thank you - you all have been a great help.
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Re: Fleet Map

Terrie said:
How does someone learn how to fleet map I have the Win95 VOO.13 and on this program is Fleet Map - then it has DEC HEX AFS??? Is there any place that tell me how to use even this program?
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Terrie

What system are you trying to program?

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I have a PRO-95 (Radio Shack) brand new out of the box. I am running the Win95 VOO.13 program.
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Re: ID's

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One more question Where did you get the ID numbers?
As I said above, other scanner hobbiests have come before you and mapped out systems. The numbers come from the collection of work here at the RR.com site.

As Joe says, what exactly are you trying to listen to in Phoenix. If you gave us an idea, we could be of more use.
 

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Terrie:

Let me say that there are fine sources of information out there which you can use to augment what is here on this site. However, without even going to get the file that scnnr referenced, I can tell from the screen shot it is no good. This is where, as a novice, you need to rely on basic information and you should do your own programming.

Let me tell you, based on what I can see in that screen shot, what is wrong.

1. All of the frequencies for the TRS are loaded (slots 00-09 of bank 1). While this does not cause the radio not to work, it is not necessary and in fact will slow down the response of the radio. The Pro-95, on a Motorola system uses only the control channels to track the system. So you should only load those frequencies that are control channels or alternate control channels of a system.

2. The TRS frequencies all have "DELAY" checked, this should be blank.

3. The system screenshot has a fleet map and fleet codes indicating that it is a Type I system. It is not a Type I system and that is the biggest problem with this screen shot...

4. The Glendale Public Safety System is an APCO-25 system. It cannot be monitored or even followed by a Pro-95. That system can only be monitored by a Pro-96 or Uniden Models 296d or 796d.

Do yourself a favor and learn to program the radio with the software, you will be much more pleased with the outcome.
 

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loumaag said:
Terrie:

Do yourself a favor and learn to program the radio with the software, you will be much more pleased with the outcome.

Terrie

Lou is absolutely right with the above statement. When I first got my pro96 the whole thing was completely programmed by hand until I got the Win 96 program.

Take a look at this site for some great tips on your scanner

http://marksscanners.home.comcast.net/93_95/95-1.html

Lou I should have been more careful to check out how the owner of that file had it made out before I posted it. I had not even noticed that it was set for type 1 system or that the delays were set. That file is a couple of years old also. 2003

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scnnr said:
Lou I should have been more careful to check out how the owner of that file had it made out before I posted it. I had not even noticed that it was set for type 1 system or that the delays were set. That file is a couple of years old also. 2003
Randy, that explains it. I think it was in December of 2003 that Glendale changed to an APCO-25 system. Of course in general the Phoenix area is a hot-bed of P-25 modulation and a lot of it encrypted. :(
 
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