FIRE321FIGHTER1985
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I have just about made up my mind to wait and see if a scanner comes out that will do provoice and LTR digtal hopefully in the next1-2 years and that will include present day options. :roll:
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Until M/A changes their mind on licensing issues, there will never be a scanner.
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There is big $$$$$$$$$$ for M/A to make as long as they can secure a sale and prevent the scanner listeners from enjoying the air-waves.
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GlacierClipper said:
You guys crack me up! :lol: :lol:
Casual scanner listeners are not even a blip on the radar of commercial public safety communications.
They are concerned with criminals listening in and hackers disrupting communications.
N_Jay said:
OK, then, read it this way: "There is big $$$$$$$$$$ for M/A to make as long as they can secure a sale and prevent the CRIMINALS from enjoying the air-waves"
Either way, there is a monetary incentive to justify NOT releasing the propritary protocol for use in scanners. They will make more money off the 'secutrity features' of their system than they would licensing the rights to a scanner manufacturer. Down the road, they might once they introduce the next generation. Then, they may sell the licensing rights as an incentive for their current customers to upgrade to the new 'secure' system (gaining them even more revenue from the PS market). I wouldn't look for this for at least several years, if it ever happens.
Joe M.
I agree with you as soon as everyone buys into unscannable radios then they will sell the rights to scanner manufactors and make more money it is in my words a way to have their cake and eat it at the same time make all the money they can now with the unscannable system and when they hit a road block they sell the ablity to do so to scanner manufactors
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What I find funny is how often this comes up and how each time eveyone jumps on the non-scannable aspect as if the entire goal is to piss off scanner hobbyists.
Oh well, on to a new subject. :twisted:
Oh well, on to a new subject. :twisted:
N_Jay said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the point in this thread is that it is a tool for them to make more money off the system buyers - not to tick off scanner users. They make more money selling it as 'not scannable' and as having a monopoly, being the only source for compatible radios, thus precluding any other manufacturer selling into the system.
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Voyager said:
Yes, but the not-scannable part is not what sells the system.
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Maybe not completely, but to say that the purchasers don't consider that isn't true either.
I work closely with two of three jurisdictions that share a $50+ million ASTRO system. It was installed a little over four years ago, before any of the digi-scanners were released. One of the bargaining chips for the sale was the "un-scannability" of the system. Oh to hear the system managers brag gleefully, even last year, how "no scanner out there can listen to us," made me laugh (if not slightly in disgust).
One of the managers told me that I was mistaken about the ability to scan her system. I went to my car and got my 296D and tuned in ... she was speechless (and wishing that my scanner was too). :wink:
It's comforting to know that all of the encryption that has been planned for this system has been done already. The encryption is limited to very selected law enforcement TG's.
I'm not new to this - I know the old "don't show 'em that the scanners work, they'll do what they can to lock us out" routine. However, in this case, I also know the system managers and users well enough to know when to show them what you're capable of, and when to keep your mouth shut and scanner in the car.
I'm not new to this - I know the old "don't show 'em that the scanners work, they'll do what they can to lock us out" routine. However, in this case, I also know the system managers and users well enough to know when to show them what you're capable of, and when to keep your mouth shut and scanner in the car.
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good point, pro92b, however, i've watched departments encrypt EVERYTHING in their PD with no motivator other than paranoia...
("To keep the drug dealers from hearing us.")
Laredo, TX comes to mind.
("To keep the drug dealers from hearing us.")
Laredo, TX comes to mind.
FIRE321FIGHTER1985
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Well, i hate to say this, but where is the answer to my question ??? :?
Not that you ever asked a question - but I'd suggest you read the first reply one more time...
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M/A ??? 
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FIRE321FIGHTER1985 said:M/A ???
And to the son who does not even know how to ask a question you will say:
"M/A-COM is the current name of the company who developed and sells Provoice systems."
Now do you feel the question (or lack of one) has gone unanswered?
FIRE321FIGHTER1985 said:M/A ???
http://www.macom-wireless.com/
Know I know how Rob Dale feels sometimes! :wink:
Robert - KA2MEK
The first trunk tracking scanner, the Uniden Bearcat BC-235XLT, was developed by Greg Knox.
Now as I understand it:
Uniden did not pay Motorola, nor did they get their "permission" or "blessing" before they sold this scanner. The scanner works in such a way so as it doesn't violate any of Motorola's copyrights or patents.
LTR and EDACS systems, same thing. LTR is an open standard, I believe. But Uniden and GRE did not pay EF Johnson or GE/Ericsson for any rights to make scanners that could track their systems.
Now I understand Pro-Voice is a different story, because it would be impossible to make a scanner that tracks such systems without violating their patents, as it uses proprietary technology.
If any of this is incorrect, please give us the straight scoop!
Now as I understand it:
Uniden did not pay Motorola, nor did they get their "permission" or "blessing" before they sold this scanner. The scanner works in such a way so as it doesn't violate any of Motorola's copyrights or patents.
LTR and EDACS systems, same thing. LTR is an open standard, I believe. But Uniden and GRE did not pay EF Johnson or GE/Ericsson for any rights to make scanners that could track their systems.
Now I understand Pro-Voice is a different story, because it would be impossible to make a scanner that tracks such systems without violating their patents, as it uses proprietary technology.
If any of this is incorrect, please give us the straight scoop!
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