El Paso County headed to APCO-25 Digital

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Grant funds emergency radio upgrade

By R. SCOTT RAPPOLD THE GAZETTE


Emergency officials in El Paso County have received a $4.5 million federal grant for a major upgrade to the local radio system, meant to ease communication problems with state and federal authorities, who operate on different systems.
Scanner junkies take heart: Officials say current digital monitors still will function when local police and fire departments switch to the system in two years.
It is known as Project 25, the accepted national standard for emergency responders, and the Pikes Peak Regional Communication Network will spend $6 million to bring it here, including a $1.5 million local match divided among the 51 agencies using the network.
The grant comes from the Department of Justice, which is encouraging local emergency officials to switch to the system to be prepared for a natural disaster or terrorist attack.
“Law enforcement learned a huge lesson (during the Columbine High School killings) when all the responders came together and couldn’t talk to anybody,” said Mora Fiedler, grants coordinator for the Colorado Springs Police Department.
El Paso County switched from its analog network to a digital system, a $25 million endeavor, in 2001.
In the same way computers become obsolete within a few years, though, a newer digital system has become available, and it is used by the Colorado State Patrol and military officials.
That sometimes makes things difficult for local police and firefighters.
“We’ve always had a problem with not being able to communicate with the state, because we work so closely with them,” said Lt. Clif Northam, spokesman for the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office.
Instead of deputies being able to talk with troopers, their dispatchers talk to each other by phone and relay information to the respective officers. The delay can be crucial during incidents such as police chases.
It’s the same problem Colorado Springs police have when they need to communicate with Fort Carson, Fiedler said.
The new system puts them on the same wavelength and eventually could allow instant communication between a local officer and one in another state.
Most of the $6 million will go toward central controlling equipment, said Dan Gorton, system manager for the Pikes Peak Regional Communication Network. The hundreds of vehicles and handheld radios in the network will need little work.
Colorado Springs residents with their own scanners also may need to get some minor adjustment, but Gorton said they still will pick up transmissions.
“I think most scanners in the market probably have defaulted to Project 25, and to make them work on our current system is a step backward,” Gorton said.
 

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Thanks for the post Jim. I thought Colorado Springs was already on the DTRS, but I don't know much. I'm still in limbo between the Pro96 & 296D.
If the darn 296 ever went on sale for around $450, I might go for it. I know that most people, ie you, love the 96, but I would like to check out LTR & I-Calls. I know they have "ham fest" get togethers in the area, but have you ever heard of a "scan fest". I think it would be fun maybe once a year to get together, compare notes, show off our toys, etc. It's almost bedtime, so I will leave the Colorado forum with this last thought. GO BRONCOS!!

Jerry :lol:
 

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El Paso/Colo. Springs are on their own Moto. system. It uses APCO 25 for voice and the Moto. 3600 BPS control channel. It makes a lot of sense to tie into DTRS. That's what happened with the Northern Colo. system. It will give the state much better coverage in the Springs, since they have 9 or 10 sites on the El Paso system.
 

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logitec said:
El Paso/Colo. Springs are on their own Moto. system. It uses APCO 25 for voice and the Moto. 3600 BPS control channel. It makes a lot of sense to tie into DTRS. That's what happened with the Northern Colo. system. It will give the state much better coverage in the Springs, since they have 9 or 10 sites on the El Paso system.

Actually think you might be reading the article wrong, the state will not be gaining 9 or 10 DTRS in El Paso County, El Paso will remain on the 3600 baud system where they are just gaining DTRS interoperatility.

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I understand what is being said here, but I just had a couple of comments.

“We’ve always had a problem with not being able to communicate with the state, because we work so closely with them,” said Lt. Clif Northam

That just doesn't make any sense, does it?

It’s the same problem Colorado Springs police have when they need to communicate with Fort Carson, Fiedler said.

Ft. Carson isn't on the State system anyway, they have there own UHF system, so I don't see how by going to the Project 25 it's going to help anything, unless I'm missing something and Ft. Carson does have Project 25 capabilities. PLUS I know for a fact the Ft. Carson FD and PD have Talkgroups on and Radio's for the current El Paso system.

Jim,
Does Ft. Carson have a State DTRS Talkgroup? and Equipment?

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Actually think you might be reading the article wrong said:
You might be right Jim, but for 6 million you would think they are doing more than that. I would think they are upgrading to 9600 baud, but it's hard to tell from that article. I re-read it and they talk about a newer system being available, that's what makes me think they would be going to 9600. Also, that must be what they are talking about when they talk about APCO 25, because the voice modulation on their system is already APCO 25.

I might be making a false assumption that they are going to join DTRS, but what are they spending the 6 Mil. on? The Moto. radios can be flashed to operate on 9600 and 3600. If you have 9600, your radio will do 3600, so they could just upgrade the radios and be able to switch to DTRS when they want to. Also, CSP could program their radios right now to talk on the El Paso system. I don't know if they do, the article makes it sound like they don't.

It happens all the time when journalists try to write about something technical. You usually end up with more questions than answers. Thanks for posting the article; it will be interesting to see what happens.
 

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logitec said:
Actually think you might be reading the article wrong said:
You might be right Jim, but for 6 million you would think they are doing more than that. I would think they are upgrading to 9600 baud, but it's hard to tell from that article. I re-read it and they talk about a newer system being available, that's what makes me think they would be going to 9600. Also, that must be what they are talking about when they talk about APCO 25, because the voice modulation on their system is already APCO 25.

Inside sources report they are not moving the county to DTRS and if they did that would costs lots more than 6 mil.

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