Essex County Fire

[Thunderbolt]

I understand that Essex County's fire departments plan on moving to a 400 MHz, UHF TRS in the future. Does anyone know what the frequencies are for this system? Likewise, what kind of system will this be and when will it go on the air?

Thank you!

73's

Ron

 

[ftaking]

153.770 and the repeater is 469.9375

 

[DaveH]

Ron,

I'm nowhere close to Essex county but put forth a possibility. Searching
TAFL between 420-421MHz which is likely where a system like this would
show up, I come up with 9 callsigns for groups of frequencies assigned to
Windsor Two-Way. UHF Fire in Canada does not usually use 450-470 as
in the US (there may be exceptions), but 410-430 instead.

callsigns CFT233/244/245, XKI962/967/970/977/983/995

Note that the standard split for 420-421 in Canada is -11.000MHz.

Several of these 420MHz groups show up as "pending" which means new
and not necessarily operational. These may turn out to be commercial-only,
who knows. They are all narrowband analog in groups so trunking is most
likely. If they're active, first would be to establish what kind of trunking is
being used (should not be difficult). If it weren't 8-10 hours drive from me
(at legal speeds...thinking about conserving gas , I'd be checking it out.
Searching these groups may seem tedious but for lack of any other info, is
my best guess.

Dave

 

[sunfireguy]

Old system

153.770 and the repeater is 469.9375

If you read above this is the old sytem, that will become obsolete soon, he is looking for the new frequency's

 

[Thunderbolt]

If you read above this is the old sytem, that will become obsolete soon, he is looking for the new frequency's

Correct! I have heard for more than one source that the fire departments in Essex County are planning to switch to a new UHF TRS. However, nobody knows what the frequencies are for the system or what type of system it will be. Although, its rumored to be a P-25/analog Motorola system.

73's

Ron

 

[FPO703]

I wonder if that may have been the 411.5375 Motorola Control Channel I got over the weekend. It showed a SysID of 3502.

 

[DaveH]

I wonder if that may have been the 411.5375 Motorola Control Channel I got over the weekend. It showed a SysID of 3502.

Interesting catch, but probably not. It's registered to MOH (Ministry of Health) in Windsor, and does not appear to be part of a "system".

So....has anyone within range checked out the 420-421 band as I recommended? It's very likely in there.

Dave

 

[woody_461]

County fire are still using the frequencies in the database as of last night.Most of the frequencies were active.They were quite busy out near Tilbury looking for a brush fire along the 401.Just FYI.

That said, an overhaul of the system is definitely needed.I will also be interested in details of a changeover.

 

[FPO703]

Interesting catch, but probably not. It's registered to MOH (Ministry of Health) in Windsor, and does not appear to be part of a "system".

So....has anyone within range checked out the 420-421 band as I recommended? It's very likely in there.

Dave

Could we start a new thread with further information on this system?
I was only able to obtain the Control channel and SysID for this one. I also caught a 'RF link' on 416.5375 with PL of 151.4 I don't know if they are related or not. These were both caught at night and no activity noted on either channel.

 

[mikewazowski]

I see 411.5375Mhz is licenced to the Windsor Hospital. I would guess it's an MOH link frequency. Activity should be pretty scarce since everybody has switched over to Fleetnet unless it's a PCOM, PTAC or paging link.

 

[FPO703]

I see 411.5375Mhz is licenced to the Windsor Hospital. I would guess it's an MOH link frequency. Activity should be pretty scarce since everybody has switched over to Fleetnet unless it's a PCOM, PTAC or paging link.

411.5375 was a Motorola Control with SysID of 3502. I wonder if it's a local TRS for area hospitals or possibly for hospital ops?

 

[motomeso]

County fire are still using the frequencies in the database as of last night.Most of the frequencies were active.They were quite busy out near Tilbury looking for a brush fire along the 401.Just FYI.

I actually heard Lakeshore Fire on the 401 near 77 last night here from Kitchener, not sure if that was the same call or not. Also heard Wardsville Fire talking with London later that evening.

 

[woody_461]

I actually heard Lakeshore Fire on the 401 near 77 last night here from Kitchener, not sure if that was the same call or not. Also heard Wardsville Fire talking with London later that evening.

Yes,you heard them...they were searching the area from 77 to Tilbury.You have good ears there.

 

[woody_461]

Could we start a new thread with further information on this system?
I was only able to obtain the Control channel and SysID for this one. I also caught a 'RF link' on 416.5375 with PL of 151.4 I don't know if they are related or not. These were both caught at night and no activity noted on either channel.

There is no sense in us searching in the 400MHZ.range yet,IMHO.I will be happy to start searching when there is an official announcement of a system changeover.I'm sure somebody will post when the rumour changes to fact.The old listed frequencies are the only ones being used at this point.

 

[FPO703]

I was referring to the Motorola Control channel taht I was able to monitor. Not the fire frequencies. I'm trying to find out what the Motorola system is being used for and obtain further information on it.

 

[woody_461]

I was referring to the Motorola Control channel taht I was able to monitor. Not the fire frequencies. I'm trying to find out what the Motorola system is being used for and obtain further information on it.

416.5375?

I'll give it a listen & report back here.

 

[FPO703]

nope. 411.5375 is the Motorola Control channel. 416.5375 sounded like an RF link of some sort with a PL tone of 151.4

 

[woody_461]

Okay, 411.5375 is issued to the MOH in Windsor.It is just, and always has been a dead carrier.Not sure of it's purpose,no id's come up on it.I've always locked it out on my scanners.Perhaps you are hearing something stateside?

I'm receiving 416.5375 very weak, so it can't be anything local.

 

[woody_461]

@FPO703, sorry I can't be more help.411.5375 is a solid S-9 here, it's definitely not a control channel.

 

[FPO703]

It had a control channel on it the other night and it registered a SysID of 3502