FastNet Site # Change

[ATCTech]

It appear that site #1.1 we have listed as Milton has changed to site 1.4 sometime recently. Still on 420.500 but the ID has changed. Loaded site 1.1 from the Site Loader and it immediately changed to 1.4. Signal strength & TAFL still has it only 4 or so km away from me here up on Appleby Line.

 

[VA3DBJ]

Looks like Toronto has been changed to 2.2



I am getting no signal from the Courtice site. I used to get a weak signal, but nothing now.

 

[gary123]

Looks like they are renumbering the sites to consolidate the network.

 

[Enjoi19]

I am getting no signal from the Courtice site. I used to get a weak signal, but nothing now.

I'm near North Oshawa and tried putting in both frequencies for the Mitchell's Corners site, neither seemed to be coming up. Did a quick scan of 460-465 and only picked up other things (Including I think the Toronto site). Doesn't seem to be active in this region anymore.

 

[ATCTech]

Poking around the TAFL, I see that the Toronto license is shown as Federal Wireless Communications, the very company we're discussing in the Niagara Peninsula including the other DMR TIII network the CBSA is using.

Mitchell's Corners is registered to 795395 Ontario Limited, but ONLY the 463.775 frequency as 461.625 MHz that we have listed is not licensed anywhere in Ontario at all now. (The network is comprised of area-specific licensees operating under the FastNet banner.) See more here: FastNet Wireless by Hytera – Enhanced two-way DMR communication network

The coverage map goes right down to Fort Erie, which makes me wonder if the system the CBSA is using will be amalgemated into FastNet over time as we're seeing commercial users on it these days.

 

[VA3DBJ]

The 461.625 was licensed until recently to the left over of Williams Communications. The frequency had been playing the usual company shell game until spring of this year. The last time I checked the database it was there until around April, under an Ontario numbered company.
It was running until a couple of months ago. It was a very weak signal or the signal was directly towards Toronto/Niagara.

 

[gary123]

Anyone get the current site number for Ballantrae? Both Toronto and Ballantrae are listed as site 2.2

 

[ATCTech]

Ballantrae is listed as 3.2, not 2.2... just checked it now and that's still the case using 463.3875 as the prospective CC.

 

[radioman253]

In DSD fastlane v 2.268 using FMP24 to directly enter freq 420.4625 -
showing Tiii (HYT) Site:L13-2.6
This is a strong signal in the Oshawa area i suspect this and 420.775 have replaced the 463.775 & 461.625.
So far heard school buses in Durham Region on TG 16515088 and ENC activity on TG 16515173

 

[ATCTech]

Good catch! And nothing in the TAFL yet other than those frequencies being part of the FWC system in Fort Erie.

 

[mciupa]

If someone can provide CH ID's we can add them to the database for 2.6

 

[ATCTech]

If the calculator is telling me the truth 420.3625 is LSN 77 and 420.775 is LSN 127. If it is telling me the truth then there are LSN issues with a bunch of frequencies as listed for other sites on the system. Updates to follow once I prove the theory...

 

[VA3DBJ]

If someone can provide CH ID's we can add them to the database for 2.6

3278 420.4625 CC so far.

 

[ATCTech]

First, correction to my post #12 regarding the LSN for 420.4625. I see I typed 420.3625, not 420.4625. The LSN stands at 77 from what I can tell as the calculator uses a base frequency of 419.2500 with 419.4750 being LSN 1 (using 12.5 kHz steps in the program). I'm confused about VA3DBJ's post #13. Where did you see a value of 3278 in the 420-421 MHz range? Even if the system used 6.25 kHz steps, frequencies as high as 424 MHz should only have LSNs in the 1200 range and LCNs of half that, no?

 

[VA3DBJ]

First, correction to my post #12 regarding the LSN for 420.4625. I see I typed 420.3625, not 420.4625. The LSN stands at 77 from what I can tell as the calculator uses a base frequency of 419.2500 with 419.4750 being LSN 1 (using 12.5 kHz steps in the program). I'm confused about VA3DBJ's post #13. Where did you see a value of 3278 in the 420-421 MHz range? Even if the system used 6.25 kHz steps, frequencies as high as 424 MHz should only have LSNs in the 1200 range and LCNs of half that, no?

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[ATCTech]

Out of curiosity, try it with an empty frequency file in DSD+ and see if it detects those channel numbers over the air. Here's site 7 (East Garafraxa) running exactly that way right now. I'm using empty frequency, network, site & site loader files to let the system tell DSD+ what's being sent so there's no chance of data in my files being interpreted as belonging to this system or site. The CC in this case is 422.2625 but there's been no voice traffic seen on the second slot so it hasn't populated yet.

 

[VA3DBJ]

Out of curiosity, try it with an empty frequency file in DSD+ and see if it detects those channel numbers over the air. Here's site 7 (East Garafraxa) running exactly that way right now. I'm using empty frequency, network, site & site loader files to let the system tell DSD+ what's being sent so there's no chance of data in my files being interpreted as belonging to this system or site. The CC in this case is 422.2625 but there's been no voice traffic seen on the second slot so it hasn't populated yet.

Without the req file.

 

[ATCTech]

Wow, that's wild! Thanks, and completely out of sorts with the rest of the network channel IDs.

 

[VA3DBJ]

That tower is a Bell system. The tech's made numerous references to Bell making changes.

 

[gary123]

LOL, Bell does like to mess with stuff. That's my opinion so I'll leave it at that before someone gets mad at me .