According to the citation, the FCC has to issue a citation before they can issue an NAL.
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Yea that thread is closed
tmfok7
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They need to all be banned! Just go to the top of this page and look at the specs for the TYT TH7800 that was obviously ripped off from Yaesu TX from 137-174 Mhz and 400-480 Mhz and it has a "voice scrambler" option! When did that become authorized?
the voice scramble has been around for approx 5 yrs now--authorized i could,nt tell ya nothing is really clear lately as for the freq spreads thats always been like that for a long long time
baltimorecs
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Reading the citation the FCC cited them for the radio being capable of operating outside of the frequencies notes in their FCC grant and also at power above that stated in their grant.
I always wondered where they came up with the strange output wattage values in those grants.
I always wondered where they came up with the strange output wattage values in those grants.
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The radios were capable of being programmed outside of Part 90 frequency specs. Why the FCC type accepted them in the first place is puzzling because they did pass the vetting process. At any rate, this is not going to materially affect the available of CCRs.
bill4long
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This particular incident is not going to change the available of CCRs in general, or this particular model (UV-5RA) in particular. It's a simple firmware tweak to fix any such problem on future production runs. (These particular models are not firmware updateable.)
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baltimorecs
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That is something I have always wondered as well. I mean anyone at the FCC can simply look up these radios and see their specs and that they don't match the grant.
bill4long
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As I recall, the FCC's objection is that they have been advertising the radios for use in a service that the type acceptance doesn't cover. But, as I said, easy to remedy.
I'm sure you know that the FCC does not actually review new products seeking FCC certification. The manufacturer or importer sends samples to an independent testing lab which tests for FCC compliance. The FCC then acts on the test lab's report.
True. I read elsewhere that the FCC action this week "banned" Baofengs. That's pure, un-cut, concentrated, Internet derp. All the FCC did was issue a citation to one on-line seller which means that seller has answer the FCC's citation in the specified length of time. We may see further FCC action, but there's no need to get the cart before the horse.
The most important take home point from this, and all the other related threads:
I suspect some didn't actually read the entire citataion before commenting? It was abundantly clear that the FCC had cited one single distributor, Armcrest Industries d.b.a. Baofengradio.us. If you read or inferred anything else beyond that, it's "pure, un-cut, concentrated, Internet derp" just like W9BU said. This is not an umbrella action against Baofeng and/or all other CCRs. However, I hope this will keep the CCR issue on the radar, and further action against more distributors of these radios will be taken.
I suspect some didn't actually read the entire citataion before commenting? It was abundantly clear that the FCC had cited one single distributor, Armcrest Industries d.b.a. Baofengradio.us. If you read or inferred anything else beyond that, it's "pure, un-cut, concentrated, Internet derp" just like W9BU said. This is not an umbrella action against Baofeng and/or all other CCRs. However, I hope this will keep the CCR issue on the radar, and further action against more distributors of these radios will be taken.
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I went to the website of the seller. They are pushing a radio called the ATR-22. While I was checking the FCC certs for this Part 90 radio, a chat box popped up. I asked if an FCC license was required and the seller said " I don't believe so". I then asked whether there were preprogrammed frequencies, and If so what were they. The seller replied that "software CHIRP will let you view, select and change frequencies".
Clearly, AMCREST does not want the buyer of these extremely cheap radios to be burdened by an expensive FCC license.
If these radios show up on a police channel or ham repeater near you, it will be because of their dishonest marketing practices.
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Clearly, AMCREST does not want the buyer of these extremely cheap radios to be burdened by an expensive FCC license.
If these radios show up on a police channel or ham repeater near you, it will be because of their dishonest marketing practices.
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What the FCC should do is rescind the fraudulent
grant and tell the distributor to destroy the product. Actually US Customs could stop by and help with a steamroller.
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grant and tell the distributor to destroy the product. Actually US Customs could stop by and help with a steamroller.
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bill4long
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Yep. And the test results are available online via this:
https://www.fcc.gov/oet/ea/fccid
The ID can generally be found inside the HT by taking the battery off, or on the sticker for mobile radios. The presence of the type acceptance ID on the radio is mandatory. (Sidebar: amateur radios only need be Part 15 certified. There is no such thing as Part 97 radio certification. Ham can use Part 90 and Part 95, or build your own radio, as long as it doesn't cause harmful interference. Commerically produced radios must be Part 15 certified, but this is a very general certification that pertains to just about every kind of radio, transmitters and receivers, and many other devices capable of some kind of RF radiation.)
Right.
I don't care what the people say, Baofengs and CCRs are here to stay. ♫
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bill4long
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It doesn't work that way. The FCC has civil authority, not criminal, and no port authority whatsoever. They can render civil forfeitures for violations of FCC regulations, but they can't stand at the dock and turn the ship away.
bill4long
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Yep. Deceptive marketing is what this particular case is about.
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US Customs would have the authority, they seized some illegally imported Range Rovers and crushed them flat.
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bill4long
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Hehe, that would have been fun to watch. I'm no expert about the import situation, and there are probably laws on the books that allow customs to do whatever they deem appropriate.
I read through the order and the FCC appears to be taking exception to the Part 90 authorization. Part 90 radios should not be frequency adjustable by the user-that is you normally should only be able to select 'channels' that have been programmed. The idea is to prevent users of the radio from using frequencies not authorized by their license. Also the Baofengs can be 'programmed' for frequencies not authorized by Part 90-yet another no-no. I did not see anything related to output purity like spurious signals or high harmonic content. It apears they can still be used in the Amateur service -just not Part 90.
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