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FCC Releases 800 MHz Rebanding Order

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Did anyone else see the major SNAFU in this?

They want to relocate public safety users from the 866-869 range to the lower end (851-854) range and give Nextel 862 to 869.

I thought the whole purpose was to get NexTel OFF of the 800 band altogether.

If they give NexTel 862-869, then, most public safety agencies (Like the State of Ohio and the State of Michigan, etc...) will have to put forth a bunch more $$$ to re-program all their systems since they are setting up in the 866-869 range which was desiginated for Public Safety to begin with.

Sheesh.
 

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In summary form:
· As part of band reconfiguration, we require Nextel to relinquish all of its 800 MHz band spectrum holdings below 817 MHz/862 MHz. This will result in an additional average of 4.5 megahertz of 800 MHz band spectrum becoming available to the public safety community, particularly in the major markets where the shortage of public safety spectrum is most acute.

· We require band reconfiguration to be completed through a phased transition process within thirty-six months of release of a Public Notice announcing the start date of reconfiguration in the first NPSPAC region. We provide for an independent Transition Administrator to oversee the band reconfiguration process.

· We assign financial responsibility to Nextel for the full cost of relocation of all 800 MHz band public safety systems and other 800 MHz band incumbents to their new spectrum assignments with comparable facilities, i.e., systems with comparable technological and operational capability. We adopt financial, licensing, and administrative safeguards to ensure completion of band reconfiguration regardless of Nextel’s financial condition.

· To ensure that Nextel is treated equitably but does not realize an undue windfall, we condition the grant of 1.9 GHz band spectrum rights to Nextel on its meeting the obligations imposed by this Report and Order, and on its payment to the U.S. Treasury of any difference between the value of the 1.9 GHz band spectrum rights, the value of spectrum rights relinquished by Nextel, and Nextel’s costs incurred in reconfiguring the 800 MHz band and clearing the 1.9 GHz band.

· Under the rules adopted in this Order, desired signals from systems operating in the 806-816 MHz/851-861 MHz band segment that equal or exceed the threshold are entitled to protection from unacceptable interference as defined above. Non-cellular systems operating from 816-817 MHz/861-862 MHz in the Guard Band are also provided interference protection, but to a lesser degree.

· We reject Nextel’s proposed relinquishment of 900 MHz spectrum as part of the Consensus Parties’ proposal, but allow 900 MHz band Private Land Mobile Radio (PLMR) service licensees to initiate CMRS operations on their currently authorized spectrum or to assign their authorizations to others for CMRS use.

· No public safety licensee will be required to operate in the 815-816 MHz/860-861 MHz Expansion Band. Any public safety system currently located in the Expansion Band will be relocated to spectrum below the Expansion Band unless it exercises its option to remain in the Expansion Band.

. Nextel proposes that, as compensation for its relinquishment of some of its spectrum rights in the 700, 800 and 900 MHz bands and its commitment to pay 800 MHz band incumbent relocation costs, it should receive a nationwide license for ten megahertz of spectrum in the 1.9 GHz band. We conclude that it is in the public interest to compensate Nextel for the surrendered spectrum rights and costs it incurs as a result of band reconfiguration. By facilitating band reconfiguration, giving up spectrum rights, and bearing the financial burden of the relocation process for all affected incumbents, Nextel will play a critical role in solving the 800 MHz band public safety interference problem.

. Accordingly, by means of a Fifth Report and Order in ET Docket No. 00-258 we designate two paired five megahertz blocks in the 1910-1915 MHz and 1990-1995 MHz bands for the provision of new services, including AWS, which we make available to Nextel as part of the public safety rebanding approach described above. In addition, we adopt a Fourth Memorandum Opinion and Order in ET Docket No. 95-15 to provide for clearing of incumbents from this spectrum.

. At the conclusion of the thirty-six month band reconfiguration process specified herein, but no later than six months thereafter, the following financial reconciliation will be made:
· Nextel will be allotted a $1.607 billion credit for relinquishing rights to an average of 4.5 megahertz of spectrum in the 800 MHz band.
· Nextel will provide the Transition Administrator an accounting of the funds spent:
§ to reconfigure its own systems in the 800 MHz band; and
§ to clear the 1.9 GHz band of incumbents and to reimburse UTAM.
· Nextel will also provide the Transition Administrator an accounting of the funds received as reimbursement for clearing the 1.9 GHz band.
· The Transition Administrator shall provide an accounting of the funds spent to reconfigure the systems of incumbent operators in the 800 MHz band, including its own salary and expenses. This accounting shall include certifications from each relocated licensee that all necessary reconfiguration work has been completed and that Nextel and said licensee agree on the sum paid for such work.
 

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FPO703 said:
Did anyone else see the major SNAFU in this?
Yep. Nevada uses 857-866 regularly in the statewide system.

But apparently and if I read it right, Nextel will move the Nevada freqs lower and pay for the move. :shock: Then after 36 months and "reconciliation" Nextel will be reimbursed for the move. What about the costs involved with reprogramming fleets of radios? Is that also part of what Nextel has to pay? The document eldudes to only the moving of frequencies not the costs in changing them. :(
 

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The old adage..."Money talks; Bull**** walks," seems to hold true here. NYCOMCO has a bunch of EDACS systems here in the Hudson Valley, and a number of frequencies above 861 MHz were taken out of the LCN order because of Nextel and cellular interference.
I don't know...what's more important? Nextel or public safety? You decide.
 

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Yup once again basically NextHELL will tiumph.. they are being made to help pay for transitons in the bandplan,.. THEN THEY GET REIMBURSED????????????????????????? All I can say is that this proves that stupidity climbs to the highest levels.... and I will say it again.... In ten years I forsee the FCC going corporate,.. and becoming a subsidiary of NextHELL.. you want to use the airwaves in this country?? See Nextel,.. oh your PUBLIC SAFETY??? OK we'll give you a ten percent discount lol! My god it just gets better and better.
 

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FPO703 said:
Did anyone else see the major SNAFU in this?

They want to relocate public safety users from the 866-869 range to the lower end (851-854) range and give Nextel 862 to 869.

I thought the whole purpose was to get NexTel OFF of the 800 band altogether.

If they give NexTel 862-869, then, most public safety agencies (Like the State of Ohio and the State of Michigan, etc...) will have to put forth a bunch more $$$ to re-program all their systems since they are setting up in the 866-869 range which was desiginated for Public Safety to begin with.

Sheesh.

No, part of the 4.5 BILLION dollar contribution that NEXTEL is paying is going to pay for the re-programming. There will be ZERO dollars coming out of the governments pocket. This was clearly explained way from the beginning. There was also never a removal of NEXTEL from 800 MHz. They are going to give up their 700 and 900 MHz licenses in exchange for 1.9 GHz.

The WHOLE NPSPAC band will start at 806 MHz instead of 821MHz. It's actually pretty simple for PS. Just subtract 15 Mhz from where you are right now. I have over 6000 subscribers to re-program and I'm not worried
 

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I wonder what this will mean for us Canadians. Far as I know, we tend to share very similar band plans with the US, we have Nextel-like systems, and we have lots of 800mhz trunking systems. Our local Smartzone system is all over the 866-869 segment.
 

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What it means for us Canadians is that when the FCC asks the CRTC
to dance, we will follow their lead.

Our Nextel-like system is Telus Mobility in Canada.
 

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Jay said:
I wonder what this will mean for us Canadians. Far as I know, we tend to share very similar band plans with the US, we have Nextel-like systems, and we have lots of 800mhz trunking systems. Our local Smartzone system is all over the 866-869 segment.


. As a result, implementing the band plan in areas of the United States bordering Mexico and Canada will require modifications to international agreements for use of the 800 MHz band in the border areas. Since we value highly our agreements with these countries we intend to promptly pursue those modifications during our bilateral discussions with those countries’ relevant regulatory bodies.

During the pendency of such modifications, all 800 MHz band operations (both cellular and non-cellular alike) must continue to be consistent with current international agreements. Consequently, if a region containing a border area is reconfigured, all 800 MHz band operations within the border area must conform to all international agreements unless and until such international agreements are amended to reflect a reconfigured 800 MHz band.

We envision and intend that interference-free cross-border mutual-aid capability remain paramount during this interim period preceding modification of the applicable international agreements.


In other words, they haven't gotten that far yet :lol:
 

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KS4VT said:
FPO703 said:
Did anyone else see the major SNAFU in this?

They want to relocate public safety users from the 866-869 range to the lower end (851-854) range and give Nextel 862 to 869.

Mmmmm........I might be wrong here, but if Nextel gets 862 to 869, doesn't that put a crimp in monitoring of cellular calls. Currently, the block on scanners starts at 869 Mhz. Current scanners would be able to recieve a 7 Mhz segment.

Granted, most cell calls are digital, but why have a scanner ban on those frequencies from 869 to 894 when the new plan will open up scanners to get a 7Mhz portion of it.

Is Nextel going to force us into taking our scanners in for a retro-fit?
 

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I believe Nextel is all digital so you aren't going to be able to pickup anything but non-P25 digital.

Mike
 

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NEXTEL isn't classified as a "cellular carrier". They reside under Part 90 Rules as an ESMR and no this won't force a retrofit to your scanner.
 

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So, any public safety trunked system that uses frequencies above 861 MHz will have to be reprogrammed, and systems that don't have any frequencies above 861 MHz can remain where they are?

How long before this reprogramming will actually need to take place? Months? Years?
 

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Pretty much that is the plan. There is some discussion at a Region Planning level to possibly re-channel the whole 800 band under 861 to utilize the spectrum as best as possible (no more wide area 25 KHz channels). This would require some agencies to pull in their coverage to meet the local NPSPAC requirement. This hasn't been finalized and as I said it's in the early planning stages. Hard to say if it will ever be implemented.

As far as deployment, the FCC R&O states 24 months for NEXTEL to get it done.
 
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