Federal Monitoring: Lynchburg/Bedford/Roanoke VA?

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ThomasMcKean

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Looking through the list of federal frequencies, I see tons of them, but how do I know, how can I tell which I can hear from here in VA?

I live in Bedford, right between Lynchburg and Roanoke. I have a lot of local frequencies plugged into the radio but none of them are federal. I'd like to sample some federal frequencies but I am not sure where to start in this area?

Can someone point me in the right direction? :)
 

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same here lol ive always wondered that its kinda like ok i live out in the middle of nowhere so what do i need to program in to hear any if anything
 

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There is a lot to hear, most of the traffic in that area is NPS and USFS. Plug in the Blue Ridge Parkway Poor Mtn, Apple Orchard, and Rocky Mtn sites as well as the Loft Mtn Shenandoah National Park site. USFS in that area is on 171.575 and 171.525 as stated in the database, with multiple sites on those frequencies using various tones.
 

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I would encourage you to use the search function. Federal frequencies are not licensed by the FCC, so you can't just go to a website and see all of them in a certain area. The best places to start are 162-174 mHz and 406-420 mHz. There is also some activity 138-144 and 148-150.8. Many agencies are using APCO P25, so hopefully you can decode that. Keep in mind that most of these agencies are not busy with radio traffic like a local police or fire department. You might search for a while in UHF and find FPS at the top of the hour conducting roll call.
 

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I would encourage you to use the search function. Federal frequencies are not licensed by the FCC, so you can't just go to a website and see all of them in a certain area. The best places to start are 162-174 mHz and 406-420 mHz. There is also some activity 138-144 and 148-150.8. Many agencies are using APCO P25, so hopefully you can decode that. Keep in mind that most of these agencies are not busy with radio traffic like a local police or fire department. You might search for a while in UHF and find FPS at the top of the hour conducting roll call.

My APCO scanner is gonna be a bit down the road as I wait (not forever) and hope prices go down a bit.

However yew are right about one thing. I did do a search between 162 and 174 and in less than a minute I found something. 172.75 DCS 025.

A bit of research tells me this a BRP ranger frequency coming in on the Apple Orchard repeater. Is this correct? She sounded cute! :) But still I would not want to be the guy she pulled over.

Somehow I thought all the BRP was P25? I guess some of them aren't...
 

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Not looking up the map locations, but it could be you are hearing the Apple Orchard Mtn Analog Repeater or.... it could be someone closer to you than the BRP, Harpers Ferry NHP uses the same Freq

Which one are you closer to ?

My APCO scanner is gonna be a bit down the road as I wait (not forever) and hope prices go down a bit.

However yew are right about one thing. I did do a search between 162 and 174 and in less than a minute I found something. 172.75 DCS 025.

A bit of research tells me this a BRP ranger frequency coming in on the Apple Orchard repeater. Is this correct? She sounded cute! :) But still I would not want to be the guy she pulled over.

Somehow I thought all the BRP was P25? I guess some of them aren't...
 

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Not looking up the map locations, but it could be you are hearing the Apple Orchard Mtn Analog Repeater or.... it could be someone closer to you than the BRP, Harpers Ferry NHP uses the same Freq

Which one are you closer to ?

I live a few miles from both the Parkway and the Apple Orchard repeater. :)

I wish I knew where to find more analog federal frequencies around here. If there even are any....?
 

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All of the parkway repeaters are mixed mode, and can either come up in analog or digital. Without having a digital scanner, you will miss the vast majority of the federal traffic other than USFS.

FWIW, the Apple Orchard site on the Blue Ridge Parkway is used primarily in analog mode, so that is likely what you will hear the most of.
 

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163.8625 Input 167.4375 output NAC167

163.6625 input 167.5375 output NAC167

167.5625 NAC 167, being used a lot for IRLP type conferencing , various agents in various locations depending on op, all linked in via some type of internet based method. This seems to be the norm in central Ohio lately, last time I was in Columbus they were using it in this way .
 

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Interesting on the 163.8625, as that is typically the Nationwide Input to 167.5375 Zone D Ch.07

163.8625 Input 167.4375 output NAC167

163.6625 input 167.5375 output NAC167

167.5625 NAC 167, being used a lot for IRLP type conferencing , various agents in various locations depending on op, all linked in via some type of internet based method. This seems to be the norm in central Ohio lately, last time I was in Columbus they were using it in this way .
 

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Yes, flip flop those inputs, I actually did that by memory and flip flopped the inputs. I actually have several grid layputs for channel plans in the Northeast, Southeast and western U.S., I will try to post what I have later this week..
 

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Looking through the list of federal frequencies, I see tons of them, but how do I know, how can I tell which I can hear from here in VA?

I live in Bedford, right between Lynchburg and Roanoke. I have a lot of local frequencies plugged into the radio but none of them are federal. I'd like to sample some federal frequencies but I am not sure where to start in this area?

Can someone point me in the right direction? :)

Unfortunately per a monitoring friend in Roanoke there is less federal activity in the Roanoke than in the eastern part of the state. I can confirm that from my few monitoring effects when in Roanoke over the past few years. As others have posted, the BRP is active and you should have no problem receiving them from Apple Orchard Mtn. UHF fed activity is even more dismal than vhf. I never heard any UHF federal comms when in Roanoke.

One possible bright spot is this. For 20+ years the FBI has had a network of remote sites in state. Years ago I caught two radio techs doing a statewide system test. As they spoke I wrote. One of their remote sites is on Apple Orchard Mtn. at the common transmitter's site (i.e, FAA, etc.). As you know 99.9% of federal comms are encrypted but not all always are. Occasionally one or more transmissions may be in the clear such as I heard yesterday and some others this year. Since 9-11 the evolution of federal comms has and still is changing somewhat. Due to fiscal and interoperability constraints what used to be a dedicated FBI frequency at a remote site now may be a shared dispatch by other Homeland Security federal users. The recommendation to search 162-174 mhz. and 406-420 mhz. is a good one.

KEV360 encompasses 10 VA FBI field offices. One is in Roanoke. Here are some vhf frequencies which may or may not still be active for the RA there:
167.6250 ECC Poor Mountain
163.8875 ECC Poor Mountain
167.2875 Apple Orchard Mtn.
167.3125 Apple Orchard Mtn.
All NACs should be "167"

Yesterday on a dedicated vhf scan for federal users there was an in the clear hit on 168.9250 mhz. NAC 079 . The federal extract file of my master state frequency showed this to be a US Marshal frequency for DC and BWI Airport, MD. I live in central VA about 30 miles south of Richmond. Although I have a high tower and mast mounted preamped antennas and have excellent ground wave reception, this signal was quite strong and no inversion signal from the DC area. There is no 168.9250 US Marshal radio repeater in the Richmond area but yet I was hearing a US Marshal dispatch. He asked for a mobile's location. I did not hear the mobile respond. I should have if local. Then I recalled hearing this same frequency and in the clear dispatch when visiting my son in Manassas Park, VA this past April. I concluded the US Marshals are dispatching at selected in state and possibly out state dispatching. The mobile's response most likely was heard at a remote site and land lined back to DC just like the FBI in state remote sites operation.

You never know when something might pop up. Another quick example is last Friday suddenly in the clear simplex comms poped up on 415.1000 mhz. NAC 000 simplex which is a SS Protection training frequency for the DC area. That made no sense. After researching and confiding with a few serious monitors we concluded whomever it was were "out of towners" by their simplex HT comms using a factory default NAC. This was the first comm I had heard on this frequency ever. Like I said you never know.

Good Luck.

John
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168.925 with a NAC of 079 is more than likely ICE. ICE has a statewide linked network that carries quite a bit of traffic.
 

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168.925 with a NAC of 079 is more than likely ICE. ICE has a statewide linked network that carries quite a bit of traffic.


Yeah ICE comms certainly have messed up the previously "dedicated/assigned" IRAC service frequencies we were used to. That began to change when Homeland Security was created. 168.9250 previously was assigned as a US Marshal frequency but like some other previously dedicated/assigned service frequencies that no longer is reality. This "shared user" change usually is noticeable by a mixture of different NAC codes on the same frequency. A default best guess for an unknown user would be ICE. But there are a few in the clear ICE comms I hear occasionally and can tell by the subject matter it is Customs who are part of ICE.

Another example is 168.7625/163.3750 mhz. NAC 084. Previously that was an Immigration Service frequency. How do I know? Years ago one day I heard them doing an in the clear P25 system test from Fredericksburg iding with callsign KAD410...Immigration Service. Soon all comms were encrypted and In time I noticed other NACS. It had morphed into an ICE frequency. It does get confusing trying to id who and where as the dynamics have changed.
 

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Hi, A trick I like to use when I am in a location I am not familiar with is grab the local phone book and look in the blue pages, or under US Government. Then I see what is listed for that agency in the area I am in (on this site) and if nothing, I look under RR pages for places like Wash DC, New York City, etc and program all their freqs in. I used to live in Va Beach and this worked well (a lot of Va Beach freqs were used in DC and NY and I assume lots more locations).

/r Richard W4MCD
in Edenton NC
 
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