Fire ground accountability and FDNY tone set

[Priority-One]

How and what are they used for?
I wrote a new code plug today on depot for my xts2500 and it gave me the options to add those options to my flash code.



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[ResqChief201]

How and what are they used for?
I wrote a new code plug today on depot for my xts2500 and it gave me the options to add those options to my flash code.



Fireground Accountability provides visibility to the incident commander via electronic & automatic identification of the on-scene personnel via portable radios. The incident commander or other individual in charge would have a tablet or computer with software that can see radio location and other info such as Radio Alias, emergency alarm indication, Channel indication, battery indication, power down indication, roll call, evacuation tones, and manual and automatic polling. It is also NIMS Compliant.


FDNY Emergency Rx/Tx Tone Set enables a tone signaling format called ATIS (Automatic Transmitter Identification System) which was used specifically by the FDNY. This tone set sounds simular to MDC but the two systems are not compatible. FDNY uses TPS on the fireground (UHF-T) radios. Each radio is assigned an ID based on the company and the riding position. For instance 2240001 could be Ladder 24, officer. 2240002 hookman, etc. I believe its unit type, company number, division, etc. The Command Tactical Unit has the software that will display the radio ID's and is interfaced to the shift roster so that if Lt Smith came on shift, it would display all of that.
Additionally the tone set option changes the way the user hears an emergency datapacket. I really forget what it sounds like, but I think with recent ASTRO25 and APX firmware its the same/simlar to the high/low tone that these radios now emit.

Both are pretty useless without the proprietary software that makes them work.

Hope this helps!

 

[Priority-One]

I was looking at the software. It seems like a very detailed system. I live in Manhattan and monitor in my 2500 RX only. So when I reflashed it today and wrote a new code plug. It gave Me the option to put them in the flash code.
I know the sound you are talking about for the tac channels.
Would it display the ID on my xts without the MDT that is needed?
I was just reading it requires a laptop with the software and an XTL5000?


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[ResqChief201]

Correct. Without the software and a radio connected to the computer, it will do nothing for you. You won't see anything on your radio Display unfortunately.


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[firebuff17]

ResqChief201
Is this one of the things the field comm units provide when they are on scene?
Never fully understood what their role is.
Thanks


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[Priority-One]

That was my next question.
I know that they have the UHF DOITT TRS that they rebroadcast FG Channels on. Is that field comm?


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[ResqChief201]

ResqChief201
Is this one of the things the field comm units provide when they are on scene?
Never fully understood what their role is.
Thanks


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Yes they have the ability to see units on a fireground. I don't believe they use the Accountability flash option but they have computers in their vehicles that show the identifiers of each radio transmission and all the info for that unit. The Field Communications Unit is responsible for tracking the assignment of Fire units to different alarms, the release of units from the staging area to the incident area and unit locations at the incident. So basically like a big incident command post. They are also used in other cities such as Chicago IL and Baltimore MD

 

[firebuff17]

Thank you resqchief201


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[ResqChief201]

That was my next question.
I know that they have the UHF DOITT TRS that they rebroadcast FG Channels on. Is that field comm?


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The DoITT UHF System routes Fireground audio out of the Division Commander vehicles and rebroadcasts it on the appropriate Trunked system talkgroups that correlate with each division. This is so Chiefs and other admin personnel can hear the foreground communications. However, I monitor this system and it does always seem as active as you would think it should be.

 

[Priority-One]

Thank you for all the great info, the FDNY is extremely complex when it comes to communications.
I once saw a battalion chief using a set up in the lobby of a 55 story residential in midtown, there is so much complexity to their systems.
I monitor the DOITT for the ME talkgroup, but seldom hear the FG talkgroup


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[Priority-One]

I know we kinda let this die, but could this software be used in an industrial warehouse setting? we have over 50 employees on 1 shift and are looking for a way to have a robust communications and accountability system.

 

[sfd119]

No. You would need the proprietary software for this to work. Just use MDC.