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Lmao, priority during a major emergency? Oh yeah, AT&T's hardened system certainly is up to the task of staying online :LOL:. Anyone who would rely on a for profit cell carrier for any emergency has loose screws. Convenient if it works, yes, but that's about it.
 

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However, we were told (and the Federal legislation mandated) that the Band 14 segment of 700 MHz was reserved exclusively for public safety; FN has been adding Band 14 capacity locally, so that being reserved for public safety may have something to do with it.
Not quite.

Band 14 was one of the resources that was given to FirstNet. It's -not- just for FirstNet. The carrier that won the FN contract awarded by the NPSBN/FirstNet authority was given access to band 14. They can use it for average Joe consumer, but when needed, the public safety users can take it over.

And not all cell sites have Band 14. Most will, eventually, but FirstNet can utilize any portion of the carriers network.



I have significant concerns regarding FN, overall. First off, I don't necessarily "like" the thought of solely relying on it for public-safety communications and thankfully it seems most conversations have steered away from those suggestions.
Yeah, there certainly are some people that think it's a replacement for LMR, but it's not. No agency should be relying on -just- FirstNet for their communications. Even the FirstNet Authority will tell agencies that.

The weak spot with any cell carrier is always the back haul. We have a number of cell sites at work, all 3 major networks, and while they've done a lot to increase bandwidth, they haven't done much to add redundancy on the back haul.

Many bring up power as a risk, and that always will be, but the California PUC recently put in a law that requires most (not all) cell sites (all carriers, not just FN) to have a minimum of 72 hours of on site power backup.

When looking at cellular services for emergencies, the big risk around here is the backhaul, always has been.

There are some technologies that will attempt to address some of that for public safety, but it's still in development stages and is beyond the casual conversation going on here.
 

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However, we were told (and the Federal legislation mandated) that the Band 14 segment of 700 MHz was reserved exclusively for public safety; FN has been adding Band 14 capacity locally, so that being reserved for public safety may have something to do with it.
FWIW, FirstNet is open to more than just Public Safety. Utilities, railroads, doctors, nurses, water works, airlines, ambulance companies, and many more can get FirstNet service, with Extended Priority. See this link as an example. When I checked into it, I found a list of eligible professions and companies and it actually surprised me, since I thought it would be public safety type organizations only. The way I understand it, Public Safety users have the highest priority, followed by the utilities, airlines, et al, with a slightly lower priority. However, when I looked at their fee schedule, I found that you can pay extra to be moved up to the highest priority group.

I do agree that Band 14 should have been open to all cellular carriers. IMHO, the Government made a mistake awarding AT&T an exclusive contract.

Around here, I've heard First Net being referred to as "Worst Net".
 

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Mac or PC, Pepsi or Coke, iOS or Android, Aeroflex or Tektronix, Visa or Mastercard, Ford or Chevy, Big Mac or Whopper, ATT or Verizon, Klein or Knipex, TDFM9000 or RT-7000, Meyer or JBL, Cisco or Aruba?

All I care is my black SIM effortlessly got my family on Rise of The Resistance at Disneyland while 5000+ others around all desperately tried to get their pass at the very second NTP servers clicked over to 0800:00. Also while in the middle of the Dixie Fire in Quincy First Net, on fixed infrastructure, had 40 down and 70 up all day while the Verizon tower had all 6000 of their channels impacted other than a roughly 2am-4am window every day. That's what happens when fire camp with 5000 firefighters is right below the only tower in town. The Verizon tech was impressed, and also carrying vaseline.

I do tend to see Verizon COWs showing up faster, more density than ATT COW's though at California incidents. And I'm strictly Verizon at work for all devices. When only one tool works in a certain area or condition, it doesn't matter what religion" you drink. As long as it's Pepsi.
 

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I do tend to see Verizon COWs showing up faster, more density than ATT COW's though at California incidents. And I'm strictly Verizon at work for all devices. When only one tool works in a certain area or condition, it doesn't matter what religion" you drink. As long as it's Pepsi.
I agree 100%.

What works best will depend on many variables. If it was as simple as buying one brand over the other, we'd quickly see other carriers go out of business.

I have my team split up between carriers. Half on Verizon, half on AT&T. While it's not a 100% guarantee that someone will be reachable when needed, it does spread the chances of reaching a live human across more than one carrier.

So far the one big event that impacted cell carriers locally took out -all- of the carriers across the board for about 20 hours. Didn't matter which carrier you had, nothing in, nothing out.


No one is being forced into signing up with any one carrier.

However, Coca Cola should be outlawed.
 
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