FM Modulators / re-broadcasting

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Pro-95

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Ok so I've been searching for an FM modulator.

My criteria is being able to be 12V powered so I can use in the car or at home with a wart. I need a decent range of 500ft to cover my property so I can use an inexpensive fm radio to listen in while working in the yard. No need to dump a 2-500 dollar radio into a pile of horse manure or into a water trough.

So far I've found car cigarette lighter plug style that won't have the range or full blown transmitters of 5-50watts that would surely cover my property but also probably give me a few nights stay at the local crossbar or worse.

So does anyone have any suggestions? How much power is too much or is that even a criteria for "rebroadcasting"?

I've found several kits at DC kits but again how much is too much without being too little?
 

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Coverage of 500 feet to a little portable radio on the FM broadcast band would require more power than is legal, so change your plans or be warned.

If it's possible to string a wire around the perimeter of the property, you could feed it with audio and "receive" it with an amplifier fed with a coil.
 

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Al42 said:
Coverage of 500 feet to a little portable radio on the FM broadcast band would require more power than is legal, so change your plans or be warned.

If it's possible to string a wire around the perimeter of the property, you could feed it with audio and "receive" it with an amplifier fed with a coil.

REALLY? I can hear baby monitors that are well over 500 feet away. Last I checked, they were legal. That may solve your needs, too, PRO-95, as they are pretty cheap.

Joe M.
 
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Al42 said:
Coverage of 500 feet to a little portable radio on the FM broadcast band would require more power than is legal, so change your plans or be warned.

If it's possible to string a wire around the perimeter of the property, you could feed it with audio and "receive" it with an amplifier fed with a coil.

REALLY? I can hear baby monitors that are well over 500 feet away. Last I checked, they were legal. That may solve your needs, too, PRO-95, as they are pretty cheap.

Joe M.

A baby monitor is alot more sensitive than a cheap FM radio.

100 mw does not go far with wideband FM.
 

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How about using license free, inexpensive FRS radios. Lock down the transmit key on one, and set it near the scanner's speaker, and listen on the other. Range is claimed to be up to two miles in open, line of sight conditions, so 500 feet should be no problem! You'll want to find an FRS radio that can operate from an external power source.

Something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...;item=5778043610&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
 

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Hi All,

I wonder if you were to use the FRS Radios if the FCC would consider that as "broadcasting"?

I know that they frown on broadcasting in most situations. I would be a little bit careful rebroadcasting public safety radio traffic in the FRS portion of the RF Spectrum.

Take care

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kq4z said:
Hi All,

I wonder if you were to use the FRS Radios if the FCC would consider that as "broadcasting"?

I know that they frown on broadcasting in most situations. I would be a little bit careful rebroadcasting public safety radio traffic in the FRS portion of the RF Spectrum.

Take care

73
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chris
kq4z

That thought crossed my mind, but it sounds like where hes at, it would go unoticed. Besides, I hear those FCC guys don't like to get horse crap on their shoes! :lol:
 
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How about using license free, inexpensive FRS radios. Lock down the transmit key on one, and set it near the scanner's speaker, and listen on the other. Range is claimed to be up to two miles in open, line of sight conditions, so 500 feet should be no problem! You'll want to find an FRS radio that can operate from an external power source.

Something like this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...;item=5778043610&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I don't think unattended opperation is legal on the FRS frequencies.
 

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I have had great success using a set of wireless 900 Mhz headphones from Radio Shack. While mowing grass they cut down on the noise, and the fidelity is great. Usually go on sale for about $49 with all kinds of adapters for speaker jacks.
 

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I didn't think those worked very far. What kind of range can you get out of them?
 

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I've got a quarter acre lot with 100% coverage. I've walked out several city blocks with marginal fading on the fringe. The height and location of the transmitter is important. If it was on the second story, I would get more range. As it is, it sits on my radio bench near the receiver on the ground floor. When the rechargables get weak it goes out fast. With NiMh the set runs all day. 900 Mhz is mostly line of site, with some structural blocking.
 

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I wonder if you can leave the FRS keyed up for an extented period without burning something out?

I like the wireless head-set idea. As long as they are light and comfortable. That way, nobody in the house has to hear the scanner.

Hey TippeTrunker2, do you have the model or cat. number for those wireless headsets?

Mike
 

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MacombMonitor said:
He says "buy with confidence". I don't have too much confidence after reading this:

"It's space age design accommodates 14 standard channels and 38 CTCSS channels, so you'll always find a clear and open channel." Each PL tone is a separate channel? If there's interference on a channel, it's there regardless of what PL tone you're using. (And his apostrophe leaves something to be desired, too.)
 

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Hi Pro-95 et al,

First of all I would stay away from FRS because like CB there are things you simply cannot do even without a license.

Somebody mentioned that some baby monitors and cordless phones have well, shall we say much more range than needed. Like any transmitting device the effective radiated power (ERP) increases with antenna height while the RF output of the transmitter itself remains constant. A very low power device operating quite legally under the FCC Rules and Regulations Part 95 can cover a LOT of ground when located high above ground and clear of obstructions.

Now here you go, a "wireless broadcaster", wireless microphone, or now get this, a baby monitor sitting near the scanner will quite legally retransmit what the scanner hears. If both are located on an upper floor you'll hear over considerable distance. Note that these devices may not be modified in any way and that means you can't hook an external antenna to it nor can you wire in the scanner, except in the case of the wireless broadcaster which comes with an audio input jack.

Of course your range also depends on your portable receiver, don't expect much from one of those FM headphone radios that barely picks up the local stations. Then too they sometimes slip off and fall into a pile of manure left by the livestock. There I leave it up to you, perhaps a good portable receiver securely stashed in a buttoned down pocket in your overalls will get Jeff Foxworthy's attention.

"If you keep a portable receiver in your overalls,
you might be a redneck scanner buff (or a NASCAR pit mechanic).
 

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Re: CCrane

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I use one of these. However I never really tested the range.

http://ccrane.com/fm-transmitter.aspx

--Dan--

Well... As it comes from CCrane it's not something that you'd really `shout' about distance of transmission-wise. (Though it *is* a whole heck of a lot better than those wireless transmitters like the "IRoc BeamIT" that `RatShaft' sells to allow one to play their CD player through one's car stereo radio! Not only does it let one use *almost*, 88.3MHz - 107.7MHz, the *whole* range of the FM band but it also gives one a *lot* more control over the input side, too.)

Now... after saying the above I have to admit that I decided to `fiddle' a bit with mine to see if I could do something about the range. The first attempt was trying to make the antenna resonant, ¼ & ½ wave, at the freq I picked to xmit on. That only marginally helped matters. {FROWN!} Though ½ wave was a tad bit more of an improvement over ¼ wave. (I chose those first because I happened to have a couple replacment telescopic antennas that happened to be able to extend far enough *and* also happened to fit, with only a very slight bit of filing, the existing mount so I wouldn't be carving up the case. Another reason I chose the antenna(s) I chose was that I happened to have 7 of one and 9 of the other so *if* they didn't work I wouldn't have `destroyed' an `irreplaceable' antenna with the `tweaking' of the mounting tab. [It *really* looked funny with this little tiny box precariously sitting on the table with this *huge*, in comparison to the original antenna, sticking up almost touching the ceiling! {CHUCKLE!}]) I only managed to add around another 25' to 30' of range with those. The next attempt was to add a `groundplane' or `counterpoise' to the setup. While that didn't really add anything distance-wise it `sounded?' like it sort of `firmed up' the signal. (At least that was how SWMBO described it. She said that after I'd added it to the setup she had an easier time tuning it in and it seemed to `hold up better' right up to the drop out point. To me it just sounded like I was getting *slightly* `fuller' audio.)

The next thing I tried was basically a fullwave dipole made out of wire with the unit hanging in the middle and a 25' headphone extension cable running from the two scanners up to the unit's cable. I hung the affair along the underside of the eaves on the side of the house that faced out into the part of the yard I was most interested in covering. (By this time I'd basically pretty much gotten rid of most of the case of the unit and was powering it off of one of the power supplies off of my `bench' via some `zip-cord' soldered to the unit's power jack's terminals and cable tied to the audio lead. [Obviously by this time all thoughts about any warranty had long since flown out the window. I was actually having some fun now. {GRIN!}]) *This* bumped up the range to a little over almost double the advertised range. (I probably could claim more range but I stopped around the time that I thought that the sound was getting what I would call `weak' though I suppose that what *I* would call `weak' might not be for others because of the hearing losses I have. Also... Whilst `doubleing' the range was fairly decent and allowed coverage of the majority of the area I was concerned with I feel that it wasn't all that good because there were still areas that were dead, comparatively speaking, that I would have liked to have been able to listen in.)

For those who only want to be able to listen around a `development' sized lot, around one eighth acre or so, *and* are willing to `hack and slash' on the unit it's not too bad of a `toy' to `play' with. *Especially* when compared to things like that "IRoc BeamIT" that RS sells! Without doing any `hack and slash' to it one could easily set it up in one's vehicle to xmit the sound from a pair of HH scanners to the car stereo and not have any worries about signal or frequency choices problems. (Just for heck of it I re-assembled the unit and then, using the headphone extension cable and running it off of the 2 AA batteries, stuck it all the way in the back of my Explorer and was able to have a nice clean signal, and sound, from it out of the factory stereo. [The "IRoc BeamIT" would hardly work sitting up on the dash with a clear shot at the vehicle's antenna!] If SWMBO happened, I actually talked her into doing it just `for giggles', to have her car stereo tuned to the set freq of the unit she could hear it well over a car length behind me to a tad bit over a car length in front of me. [I wonder just how someone who didn't know what it was would react to coming across it whilst tuning *their* car stereo? "10-64 10-64 All cars be on the lookout for a red SUV..." coming out of their radio would probably make them think their radio was `possessed' or something? {VB GRIN!}]) If one checks the `specials' or `closeouts' part of CCrane's web site one can pick one up for about $10 - $20 off of the `normal' price if one isn't interested in what colour it is. As for those who are interested in a lot more range the xmitter `kit(s)' from Ramsey are probably a better deal though I *do* wonder about the tuning and stability of of them.

Oh, well... Just an `Olde Fart's' 2¢ worth. YMMV {GRIN!}
 
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