Frequency Counters (Like the Scout)

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Awhile ago the frequency counter Scout was a hot item. I don't see this advertised anymore, and I don't see anything of it's equivalent either. But then again, it's not like I subscribe to many mags etc...

The one key feature that this had was the instant programming of a frequency to listen to if attached to a scanner.

Are there any types of equipment out there today that attache to scanners and suck up frequencies from the air, and then can instantly program the scanner to those freqs?
 

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DSmith3 said:
Awhile ago the frequency counter Scout was a hot item. I don't see this advertised anymore, and I don't see anything of it's equivalent either. But then again, it's not like I subscribe to many mags etc...

The one key feature that this had was the instant programming of a frequency to listen to if attached to a scanner.

Are there any types of equipment out there today that attache to scanners and suck up frequencies from the air, and then can instantly program the scanner to those freqs?

A few scanners today have such features built in, no need for an add-on box. Examples are the Uniden BC246T, BCD396T, BR330T, and a few others. Also the Radio Shack PRO-97 and maybe other R/S models too, I don't know all the specific models that have this feature. They will display the frequency of a nearby transmitter, play the audio, and show any PL or DPL tones that may be in use; all this built into the scanner!
 

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My digital scout (which is for sale BTW) has a cable that connects to my Icom PCR1000 that "Reaction Tunes" the radio and demodulates the audio. This was the original "close call" radio at my house. Worked great. Check out www.optoelectronics.com for frequency counters that will do this. If you're looking for one that does digital modulation as well, PM me.
 

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Hi Ken and all,

Ain't no way any scanner can do what a frequency counter can do by virtue of it's simplicity. A scanner must scan while a counter simply detects and counts the frequency of any signal above it's tthreshold within it's frequency range. As an analogy you might say it has no moving parts.

There is no need for all those bells and whistles like scanning for PL tones etc. when all you need is the frequency and a scanner can take it from there. The key is speed, by the time a scanner sorts through all the spurious signals and finds the strongest in the immediate area it's gone while the counter found it instantly. Then you can "take it home" and analyze it at your lesure.
 

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On the BCD396T you can use a keypad hack to make it a frequency counter. To do this press and hold: HOLD, 0, and 3 while turning it on.

I know this also works with other Uniden scanners, I'm just not sure which ones.

EDIT: Corrected keys....
 
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And you can obtain these freq. counters used at a reasonable price on ebay all the time. New ones a quite pricey.
 

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kb2vxa Wrote:,

Ain't no way any scanner can do what a frequency counter can do by virtue of it's simplicity. A scanner must scan while a counter simply detects and counts the frequency of any signal above it's tthreshold within it's frequency range. As an analogy you might say it has no moving parts.

This is the way Close Call and Signal Stalker work. I can tell you it works as good or better than the Optoelectronics Cub used to have. The Cub is more accurate but for scanner frequencies the Close Call is accurate enough.

There is no need for all those bells and whistles like scanning for PL tones etc. when all you need is the frequency and a scanner can take it from there. The key is speed, by the time a scanner sorts through all the spurious signals and finds the strongest in the immediate area it's gone while the counter found it instantly. Then you can "take it home" and analyze it at your lesure.

Signal Stalker II works as you described above.
 

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Hidden Feature Correct Keypad Combination

Bill2k said:
On the BCD396T you can use a keypad hack to make it a frequency counter. To do this press and hold: Func, 0, and 3 while turning it on.

I know this also works with other Uniden scanners, I'm just not sure which ones.
Actually, for the BCD396T, the correct keypad combination is [Hold] [3] [0] while turning on the radio.

The frequency counter will come on after a slight pause. You can choose between what bands to search by turning the VFO knob:

VHF Lo 1
VHF Lo 2
VHF Hi 1
VHF Hi 2
UHF
800 MHz +


You can download a list of keypad hacks at this link: http://powerhousecb.tripod.com/scannerpage/Radio_Shack_Pro-83_Hacks.doc
CAUTION: Using some of these hidden features may delete data from your scanner (not the frequency counter, though); you may want to back up any data on your scanner before experimenting with these features.

These hidden features work with many Uniden scanners, including Radio Shack scanners made by Uniden, e.g. the Pro-83.


Note: It appears to be a "true" frequency counter and not just a scanning function. There is no "gate," "hold," and other frequency counter functions, though. When you turn off your BCD396T scanner and turn it back on after using this feature, the scanner will be in Close Call mode.
 
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kb2vxa said:
Hi Ken and all,

Ain't no way any scanner can do what a frequency counter can do by virtue of it's simplicity. A scanner must scan while a counter simply detects and counts the frequency of any signal above it's tthreshold within it's frequency range. As an analogy you might say it has no moving parts.

There is no need for all those bells and whistles like scanning for PL tones etc. when all you need is the frequency and a scanner can take it from there. The key is speed, by the time a scanner sorts through all the spurious signals and finds the strongest in the immediate area it's gone while the counter found it instantly. Then you can "take it home" and analyze it at your lesure.

I have used both frequency counters and scanners with Close Call and Signal Stalker. Given a choice between a frequency counter and a scanner with Close Call, I'll take the scanner with Close Call in a heartbeat. They just seem to work better than a frequency counter, and the display is right-on to the correct frequency. 453.0125 is displayed as 453.0125, instead of something like 453.0124789 on a frequency counter. I always hated that. JMHO. YMMV.
 

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W4KRR said:
I have used both frequency counters and scanners with Close Call and Signal Stalker. Given a choice between a frequency counter and a scanner with Close Call, I'll take the scanner with Close Call in a heartbeat. They just seem to work better than a frequency counter, and the display is right-on to the correct frequency. 453.0125 is displayed as 453.0125, instead of something like 453.0124789 on a frequency counter. I always hated that. JMHO. YMMV.
I agree. I always wanted to get an Optoelectronics Xplorer (or its predecesssors), but the cost of $700.00 for just a nearfield receiver was always too much for me. At one time, Optoelectronics sold a preamplifier to go with the nearfield receiver. It supposedly made it receive up to 10 times the distance. Its price was about $1000.00.

Now the BCD396T does what the Xplorer does (for the most part) all with the functionality of a great scanner for only $525.00.

As for the display reading 453.0124789 on a frequency counter, wouldn't this be beneficial when tuning a radio? I think it is more acurate for that purpose. The scanner mearly locks on to the closest frequency within its kHz steps perameters. My iCOM IC-PCR1000 does this when I have the AFC enabled, it actually moves to actual frequency. So if I enter 453.0125 MHz, the radio may move to 453.0124789 MHz if that is the stronger signal. AFC tracks a signal when it drifts, which happens often. AFC would be a neat feature for the BCD396T.
 

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Essentially, the Opto device is designed to be extremely accurate. Close Call is designed to be very fast (but isn't as accurate...just accurate enough for scanner needs).
 

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UPMan said:
Essentially, the Opto device is designed to be extremely accurate. Close Call is designed to be very fast (but isn't as accurate...just accurate enough for scanner needs).

Exactly. My useage, as is most peoples, is for scanner programming. This is why I prefer to see the exact closest frequency displayed. Nobody's going to be punching 453.0124789 into a scanner.
 

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Hi again,

It seems I have confused some of you so here's clarification but first;

Dave, get a load of this;
"This file is hosted by Tripod, a Lycos®Network Site, and is not available for download. Please check out Tripod's Help system for more information about Remote Loading and our Remote Loading policy."

It seems that some don't know what a frequency counter is. Basically it digitally divides an audio or RF waveform and uses the result to drive a display read-out. Those you refer to are hand held units with a preamp and antenna for picking a signal off the air provided it's strong enough to be detected. I have used the test instrument version (the original before someone thought of using one to display on air signals) many times to take measurements and calibrate equipment.

With mine I can use it in the normal manner or with a suitable antenna display the exact frequency of my Amateur Radio transmissions being the antennas are right nearby so the signals are extremely strong. It depends on the presence of a carrier, it won't read out SSB and the response time is too long for CW. The frequency response is from a few Hertz to 200MHz so it works with audio too and some can go into the GHz range, it depends on how much you want to spend and whether or not you want a prescaler. Those little portables are rather limited but very useful, on scene you can snag the frequencies in use, the better ones have memories too.

The major drawback to using a scanner for this purpose no matter what features hidden or otherwise it may have is it's far to sensitive to be very useful without some way of sharply attenuating the input. The inbuilt attenuator is not enough, you have to cut the sensitivity WAY down or it picks up signals over far too great a range and you can't tell quite what you're receiving. What you want is what you can literally see, not something from across town.

If your counter doesn't display correctly there is one of two problems. A common one is lack of resolution, it won't display enough digits so you can see the exact frequency, it will round the last one off. It should resove down to at least 1KHz, preferably to 100Hz. The other is it's out of calibration, proper calibration is a MUST. Even units that are NIST certified will drift over time and need recalibration and recertification at least anually. Recalibration is way too complicated a subject to get into here and beyond your capabilities most likely so leave that to a professional. You can send it to a local "calibration house" used by labs and manufacturers but it's expensive, best check with a qualified technician on which way to go with it.

"This is why I prefer to see the exact closest frequency displayed. Nobody's going to be punching 453.0124789 into a scanner."

I don't see why the FCC would care if the transmitter frequency is 211Hz too low or why you can't round that up to 453.0125. At least your counter has a 1KHz resolution option or you would have something else to complain about. (;->)
 
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Close Call operates just like a frequency counter. It will detect the strongest local signal in the selected band (must be about 18dB above the RF floor...if there is no such signal, then the next steps are skipped), determine the frequency (using a patented method), and tune the scanner to the detected frequency. This entire operation takes from 100-200 mS.

The sensitivity issues you mention are not a factor in this mode. I think you need to see this feature in action.
 

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Sorry, the link is correct, but I guess you have to be on the page for it to download.

I attached it so you can download it.

Attachement: Radio_Shack_Pro-83_Hacks.doc
 

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Frequency Counter In The BCD396T Works Fine

I have used the frequency counter in my BCD396T and it seems to work just the same as my actual frequency counter (minus the extra digits, the preciseness, and other certain features).

I transmitted using several radios on VHF, UHF, and 800/900 MHz. The display only stopped on the frequency of the radios when I transmitted; and when not transmitting it was obviously searching (as does my normal frequency counter, displaying fast moving numbers in the display). The BCD396T stopped on the frequency of the radios and was accurate as to what the frequency was.

I don't think the frequency counter is too sensitive, nor does it pick up any frequencies across town (or across the street for that matter), only the frequencies I wanted when I transmitted the radios. Just to be clear, I am not referring to the Close Call feature, either.
 
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